Halal being shoved down Canadians’ throats at movie theatres across Canada [UPDATED]

by 1389 on January 5, 2012

in 1389 Blog Mailbox, Canada, food and drink, halal food, Islam, Judaism, Shari'a, stealth jihad

From the 1389 Blog mailbox:

Subject: halal being shoved down Canadians’ throats at movie theatres across Canada
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 12:18:08 -0500
Alarmed smiley eating popcorn

At the movie theatre, check the yogurt before ordering a yogurt smoothie…

I asked about the packages they were using, not because I ever dreamed it might be halal, but because I thought if I got the name of the producer of the frozen yogurt packages, I could get some myself at Costco or another wholesale outlet and use them to make my own smoothies.

Anyway, the package shows the halal safe product, and when I politely declined the smoothie, and explained why, the girl got upset and asked the other server to call the manager. When he came over, I explained that I refused to eat halal products and asked if he knew what the slaughter process was all about, and he explained yes, they had two other muslim managers and they had explained it all to him.

Eat up all you ignorant fools as sharia compliant products fill the market and this sharia just keeps on creeping, With absolutely no public awareness.

It makes me sooooooooooooooo angry…

Here’s a follow-up:

Sent: Friday, January 6, 2012 3:02 AM
Subject: RE: halal being shoved down Canadians throats at movie theatres across canada

…This one has several aspects to it.

I contacted COR, as this yogurt company (Yogen Früz) also has the COR label as well as Halal.

COR (Kashruth Council of Canada) is an regulatory organization in Toronto that makes sure products are Kosher and thus authenticates them as such for Jewish people.

The shocking thing is that these products carry both authentications.

I hope some strong outspoken Jewish people will contact the yogurt company (Yogen Früz) about aligning Kosher with Halal.

This kind of makes me sick. These creepy Muslims…

Jewish people have never ever tried to deceive the public about eating kosher products, but now the Muslims are not only trying to deceive everyone, they are trying to align themselves with the Jewish Kosher products so people won’t object. There are more and more restaurants and franchises opening up where Muslims are the owners, and where they serve the public with halal meat products and do not tell the public.

There has to be a market for all the 20 to 25 percent of halal slaughtered meat in Alberta…If that isn’t sickening…

The killing of meat in halal is very different from anything the Jewish people do.

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1 K aka Kel January 6, 2012 at 5:47 pm

WOW!!! This just makes me more and more angry – this is just like the Campbell’s Soups (Canada) removing the ISNA stamp on their halal soup line.

(Will share this on my “Infidels Are Watching” Facebook page with many thanks).

2 Lolita January 6, 2012 at 10:41 pm

Halal and Kosher meat are basically slaughtered in the same way. From time to time, I eat Halal, Kosher and non Halal Kosher meat. And honestly, the taste is quite different and much better that meat that is not Halal or Kosher.

Halal Kosher slautering forces the blood out of the animal body so meat doesn’t have this blood odor to it when you store it in your fridge or freezer. Halal Kosher also means that the animal is fed vegetarian based food; therefore, less chance of eating an animal with Mad Cow disease.

In the case of Yogurt, it means that it doesn’t contain animal products such as Gelatin. Gelatin comes from pork and beef. So by labelling a Yogurt product Halal or Kosher, it means that it has no animal product which is a good thing.

Not sure why you are so offended by eating Halal. Nothing is wrong with this. Muslims worship the God of Abraham and practice the religion of prophet Abraham who was not a jew nor a christian (Judaism came into existance after Juda son of Jacob; hence, the name judaism came from). Abraham was a hebrew and Arabs are his descendents through Ishmael. So not sure what the big deal is!

3 K aka Kel January 7, 2012 at 2:24 am

Sure and whatever, “Lolita” but animals are stunned and treated solemnly by Kosher.

Not like this: http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/401169_2971601454904_1407787783_3108019_595613793_n.jpg

4 Canadian Kuffar January 7, 2012 at 2:24 am

Lolita, shame on you..The God of Abraham certainly is NOT the same as the god of islam. A cursory examination of both texts clearly show they are not the same deity. If Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael they certainly are living up to what was prophecized about them.

Gen: 16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

The quran is nothing more than a bad copy of the Bible with an Arabic spin. I am not Islamic and I don’t want my food blessed in Allah’s name. I do not want to have to adhere to their idiot dietary laws, I don’t live by the dietary laws of the Jews either. If muslims ‘need’ to abide by their diet, they can bring their own items that are in line with their beliefs, but it is beyond arrogant to expect everyone else to live by them to accomodate them.

This is the west, here we eat pork..If Muslims can’t live around it, that’s their problem…Jews have managed to do it for years.

5 WLIL January 7, 2012 at 4:44 am

One is free to bring any religion to their food and one is also free NOT to have any religion interfere in what one eat. One should also be free NOT to want to be an unwilling victim of any totaltiarian ideology . One should also be free to avoid any totalitarian ideology that seek to impose or spread their totalitarian ideology via the food industry or any other industry. I think it is unfair if islamics is trying to mislead or confuse us nonbelievers.

6 SKEP January 7, 2012 at 4:45 pm

Wake up mooslims! allah does not exist.

7 CountingCats January 7, 2012 at 5:54 pm

Well, for what it is worth, I can’t eat any meat that has been ritually defiled by sacrifice to a false god. Halal is therefore haram to me.

Given the respect meted out to any idiotic view that is cast as religious these days none of the respectful idiots can possibly argue against this position.

8 Lolita January 7, 2012 at 7:57 pm

To K aka Kel:

I doubt that animals are stunned in Kosher killing!

Kosher and Halal slaughter follows strict guidelines and rules because both jews and muslims believe that animals have a soul and feel pain and emotion just like humans.

Those who advocate for eating stunned animal meat has yet to proove that the animal feels nothing. A stunned animal is simply a paralyzed animal unable to react to pain but could possibly feel it because the brain is still functioning and sends and receives signals from the rest of the body until every single organ in its body fails.

9 Lolita January 7, 2012 at 8:27 pm

To Canadian Kuffar,

Arguing that the God of Abraham is not the same of Islam without proof makes no sense. If we look into the Bible, we find the following:

Genesis 17:20
And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation.

Genesis 21:17-18
God heard the boy crying, and the angel of God called to Hagar from heaven and said to her, “What is the matter, Hagar? Do not be afraid; God has heard the boy crying as he lies there. Lift the boy up and take him by the hand, for I will make him into a great nation.”

A great nation in the sight of God is a nation that believes in Him and follows his commandments. The Koran and the Bible are somewhat similar but not a copy of each other. The Koran clarifies many contradictions and errors in the Bible, sych as Gen: 16:12. It’s the final testament to all nations as God has promised Abraham.

Indeed Jews have managed to go around the fact that porc is consummed in the west by imposing (COR) & (K) labelling on many consummer products, and muslims are also following their example.

10 Lolita January 7, 2012 at 8:34 pm


Indeed, one is free to bring any religion to their food and one is also free NOT to have any religion interfere in what one eat. I totally agree!

But to say that ”one should also be free NOT to want to be an unwilling victim of any totalitarian ideology”, then this means banning all food labelling which will be unfair to many other people like Jews, Muslims and Vegetarian, Diabetic..etc. The best thing is to be conscious that there are people who are limited to what they can consume and labelling the food will simply help them identify that they are able to consume this food or not.

11 Laughing January 7, 2012 at 10:58 pm

I have to laugh at the idea of someone named “Lolita” handing out advice about pure living.

12 1389 January 7, 2012 at 11:39 pm


Nooooo kidding!

13 K aka Kel January 8, 2012 at 1:59 am

Don’t force me to post VIDEO graphics, “Lolita:”

“According to Allah, and allow all the blood to drain from the body. The only problem is this: pure halal ritual slaughter prohibits stunning an animal before cutting its throat. It must be fully conscious until it bleeds to death. The Farm Animal Welfare Council’s research found that cattle can take up to two minutes to die – ‘and to say,’ its chairwoman scoffs, ‘that the animal doesn’t suffer, is ridiculous.’ ”

Kosher now stuns like secular rendering plants, and doesn’t ride the rendered animal like a bull in the rodeo. And they sure don’t have young kids hanging around in street clothes riding it’s carcass either.

14 Lolita January 8, 2012 at 1:34 pm

To K aka Kel:

(First allow me to thank the moderator for allowing this discussion to go on and on. Moderating is time consumming but shows that the blog owner is an open-minded person who is willing to have different point of views heard. Thank you Moderator)

As for your claim that jews stun an animal first: I have checked with my best friend who is an orthodox jew and was assured that this is against Kosher law. Don’t forget that there are many people who call themselves jews, deillusioned by the fact that judaism is an ethnicity rather than a religion. Therefore, if this method is approved by secular or reform or reconstructionist jews…etc, then those people are actually not following the Torah and cannot be even labelled jews. Jews are people who practice judaism.

As for your video, it prooves nothing. Just like there are christian and jews who don’t practice everything in the bible (priests sexually abusing boys, teenage girls having sex with boys out of marriage, robberies…etc), there are also muslims that do the same thing. This video doesn’t show halal slautering and only prooves that there are people in the muslim word that don’t follow God’s commendment.

But a question for you? If the brain is not attached to the body ( meaning major blood supplies & Spinal cord and nerves cut which is the case in Halal and Kosher slautering) What is your proof that the animal feel pain? After all it is the brain who tells the body that they are feeling pain!!!!!!

Also show me your proof that orthodox jews allow an animal to be stunned before slaughter? (Forgot to mention, according to my jewish friend, that in Kosher killing after the blood is allowed to drain, the meat is then soacked in water to make sure that not a single drop of blood is left in the meat).

15 CzechRebel January 8, 2012 at 3:41 pm


Well, it is true that the Lord promised to make the descendants of Ishmael a great nation. However, a child-raping bandit named “Mohammad” got involved with a demon (or perhaps Satan himself) who wanted to be called “Allah.” Somehow that confuses people.

The fact that Mohammad and his satanic adviser came up with a con job, in which people pledged to call that demon the only god and Mohammad his messenger, doesn’t change anything either genetically or spiritually to make those who take that pledge into “descendants of Ishmael.” Also, it does not mean that Mohammad’s demon adviser and the Lord–the God of Christians and Jews–are the same being.

Many Arabs are Christians. Many Muslims have no connection with the Middle East or its people. Both the Muslims of Balkans and the Serbs are ethnically the same, more or less. The same can be said for Hindu and Muslim inhabitants of the Subcontinent. And the most populous Muslim part of the world, Indonesia, has little, if any, connection with the Semitic peoples of the Middle East.

I know some people just have to believe every word out of the mouth of George W. Bush, but the God of the Bible and the false “god” of the Muslims are NOT one in the same. Get over it.

16 Barbash January 9, 2012 at 12:23 am

Editor’s note: We have a comment from someone who is either a Muslim or somewhat pro-Muslim. The individual has raised a number of issues, so it will probably be best to address them all in italics.

No one said that the descendants of Ishmael are the Muslims.

We think that very many people have said this, or, at least, the converse: “Muslims are the descendants of Ishmael.” We have seen this in civic textbooks, religious manuals and, it seems like Muslims used to say this on a fairly regular basis. But that goes back a few years. If the Muslims have changed their story, so be it.

Ishmael lived in the desert of Paran in Arabia and his descendants are the people living in that region from which then Islam had emerged to become a nation; hence as God had prophesied in the bible.

Darned if it doesn’t sound like you are saying that Muslims are the descendants of Ishmael now.

I doubt that the Jews would agree with you that their God is the same God as that of the Christians. We all know Jews do not consider Christianity as a fully monotheistic religion and reject the idea that Jesus is divine. So your statement that the God of the Christian and the Jews is the same is false.

Funny, but we have had a number of Jewish friends over the years and it seems as though the ones who do believe in God, think that our God and their God are the same guy. Of course, they don’t see Jesus as the Messiah, nor do they see Him as part of the Godhead, as we do. But we both worship the Lord.

As for stating that some kind of a Demon is being worshipped by the Muslims contradicts what the Quran states and only proves your prejudice and ignorance.

Of course, it contradicts the Koran and well it should. We are of the opinion that the Koran is nothing more than a bunch of Mohammad’s hogwash. A good example of this is the Koran’s outrageous statement that Mary, Jesus’ mother, is part of the Christian Trinity. This one statement is proof enough that Mohammad, the author of the Koran, was clueless.

Prejudice? Don’t I wish! This is based upon years of investigation, always hoping to find some good in Islam, but always coming up empty. Ignorance? If by “ignorance”, you are being sarcastic and you mean “well informed,” you may be on to something.

Muslims revere Christ and all the messengers mentioned in the Bible. They also believe in Christ’s miraculous birth and his miracles, in the Old Testament and the Gospel of Christ.

Muslims do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God! Until they confess Jesus Christ as Son of God, they are, at best, mocking Him and calling Him a liar. That is far from reverence!

They also obey the same commandments as the ones given to Moses.

When do they obey these commandments? When they fly airplanes into buildings? When they bomb innocent civilians? When they lie, which they seem to do quite often? When they contract with a women for a 24-hour “marriage”?

So your claim is plain absurd and complete ignorance!

Our claims are very accurate and based upon considerable data.

The strange thing is the Muslims are the only group that still prays like the prophets in the Bible when now a days not even the Jews nor the Christian do. So how come neither the Christian and the Jews pray as in the bible?

We are not sure how you think the prophets used to pray. However, if you mean getting in a prostrate position and banging your head again the floor, we are pretty sure that you are mistaken. Christians and Jews pray in many ways. In the Orthodox Church, we have the same liturgical prayer that we have had for 2,000 years. So, you have no point here.

Also in biblical times, people did not view an old`s man marriage to a young person as pedophilia. A girl was considered ready for marriage when she would reach puberty.

Pedophilia is either right or wrong. If it was right then, it is right now. If it is wrong now, it was wrong then. Calling a relationship between a pre-adolescent and a fully grown man a “marriage” does not make it any less pedophilia. Either way, it is a sign of an immature man to feel the need to have sexual relations with an underage girl. That fact alone should make every intelligent Muslim realize he is in the wrong faith.

From the bible we know that when King David was 90 years old and bed ridden, his servants suggested to bring him a young virgin to keep him warm in bed.

She was not a six-year-old, like Mohammad’s rape victim, but a young woman. And, if you read the Bible carefully, you would see that they never had sex.

Same thing in the case of Mary, mother of Christ, who was engaged to Joseph who was in his 80`s while she was a teenager.

There is a big difference between a six-year old and and a teenager. The reason for Mary betrothal to Joseph was for protection, not for lust, as it was for Mohammad. The Orthodox tradition teaches that Joseph never had sex with Mary, unlike Mohammad, who had sex with many women.

Don`t rely on Hadith to make statements about Mohammed because Muslims don`t accept all Hadith as authentic. Hadith is the work of people who were born 200-300 years after the death of Muhammed, so not all of it is considered acceptable.

So, you admit Muslims don’t believe some of their “holy” texts. I guess that is a good sign. If, today, you are willing to admit that the Hadith is hogwash, maybe someday, you will be ready to admit that the Koran is hogwash as well.

Blog Admin CzechRebel

17 K aka Kel January 9, 2012 at 6:27 am

Czech, thanks.

18 Barbash January 9, 2012 at 1:21 pm

@ CzechRebel

If we were to convince muslims that their belief is demonic, then we have to study correctly their version of Islam. As most anti-muslim individuals, their education comes from bogus ex-muslims like Shoebat and the rest, or from bigot who have one agenda on the mind, that is the spread of hate towards muslims to marginalize them; therefore, most of the info they (the anti-muslims) feed you are deception.

How can you win over your enemy when you`re told the wrong information about it? How can you cure a disease caused by virus x, when you’re given treatment that works on virus Y? The only thing you might be successfull at doing with the information you have is marginalizing the muslims which could turn ugly and ends up backlashing at you. Is this what you wish sincerelly to accomplish?

So the first thing you need to understand that the information you have is wrong:

1) My statement about the Hadith not being a holy book is also acknowledged by muslims everywhere and not a new thing. Scholars spend years studying the Hadith before making any reference to it. Therefore the statements made by islamophobe about Aisha’s age at the time of marriage is not accurate. As I said, the Hadith is the work of people born 200-300 years after Muhammed and not considered holy books.
Muslims know that Aisha was young at the day of her marriage, but her exact age is unknown because there is no credible literature source available about it.

As for the statement about Mary in the Quran as part of the Christian Trinity is also false, check chapter 4:171 & 5 :73 of the Quran to find out!

Shoebat exposed by CNN:

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Will be praying for all of you!

19 Barbash January 9, 2012 at 1:41 pm

Forgot that Walid Shoebat CNN video is two parts:

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20 1389 January 9, 2012 at 1:48 pm

Do YOU trust CNN? Of course you would, if you’re Muslim or pro-Muslim. The rest of us know better. CNN has been shilling for the leftist/jihadist axis from the get-go. Their audience has been declining rapidly for a reason.

21 1389 January 9, 2012 at 11:13 pm


Now I have had just about enough out of you.

I already told you that CNN is NOT a reliable source. Do not leave any more comments on this blog citing anything you saw on CNN.

CNN lied through their teeth about the Serbs and everyone and everything else. That’s because CNN is pro-Muslim through and through. They had CIA people working in their offices during the Kosovo War. CNN is just about as corrupt as Der Sturmer. If you don’t know what that is, Google is your friend.

Oh, and by the way, Joe Lieberman was one of the people who heavily supported the war against the Serbian people. Walid Shoebat has defended the Serbs. No wonder Joe Lieberman and CNN would do everything they can to slander Shoebat. Interviewing a “fourth cousin” is ridiculous. Since when would a “fourth cousin” know any more about Shoebat than a complete stranger would? And why would Shoebat be willing to give any details to anybody from CNN, considering all of the evil that CNN has done? I would tell CNN the same thing: “None of your business!”

In short, if CNN criticizes anybody I would take that as an ENDORSEMENT of that person.

22 CzechRebel January 10, 2012 at 12:32 am


We are, of course, at a disadvantage when it comes to the Koran. We do not speak or read Arabic and only pr0-Islamic sources translate the Koran into English. Both 1389AD and I heard a former Muslim and current Orthodox Christian say that the Koran clearly states that Christians consider Mary to be a member of the Trinity; of course, the Koran denies the Trinity. I remember seeing that somewhere in print years ago, as well.

If we find the print source, we will post it. Of course, we will not reveal the identity of any convert from Islam who provides such information, as that can be hazardous to that individual’s life. If radical Muslims would kill Theo van Gogh for attempting to expose the true nature of Islam, how much more would they kill someone who left the faith and exposed such a truth as a former insider?

If we are wrong, our apologies.

Either way, the Trinity is a basic doctrine of Christianity. Mohammad’s denial of the Trinity is reason enough to view him a false prophet.

23 Barbash January 10, 2012 at 9:15 pm

Editor’s note: Using italics, as this has been an on-going discussion.


Feel free not to post this comment.

Thank you. I’ve bookmarked your Blog so I can check in the future if you find the print text.

Thank you as well. But, please don’t hold your breath. As, we told you that it was a number of years ago that we it in print. We have heard it much more recently–person to person–from a Muslim convert to Orthodox Christianity. If and when we see this individual, we may be able to find it documented elsewhere.

24 Barbash January 10, 2012 at 9:21 pm

Editor’s note: We have often been answering this individual in italics, as this has been an ongoing conversation.


CNN doesn’t care if your pro or anti-muslim, just like other media outlets, CNN only cares about were the money comes from, and who is lobbying strongly in the background and if they could be liable to lawsuits or for what they are presenting.

We can show that you are wrong about CNN’s neutrality. 1389AD, William Dorich, Sparta, James George Jatras and yours truly, Czech Rebel (and probably a few reporters whose identity I know not), have been covering this since the Kosovo War in 1999 (some of us even longer). We are well aware of the bias of the various media outlets. Al-Jazeera may be more pro-radical-Muslim than CNN, but if it is, it is the ONLY network more pro-radical-Muslim than CNN.

You are definitely wrong about the lawsuit. We can tell, from your ip address, that you are writing from Canada. Here in the US, it is nearly impossible to successfully sue a media outlet, as the bar is set very high with the
New York Times standard.

25 Barbash January 11, 2012 at 12:57 pm

Editor’s note: My comments are in italics as this is part of an ongoing conversation.


I found the passage in the Quran that the ex-mulim was referring too and thought I post it here. This passage is basically a conversation between God (The father as understood in Christianty) and Jesus after his death while in heavens.

After Christ, a group of Chritians emerged as worshippers of Virgin Mary. These were called the Collyridians. There were also those who worshipped Christ as God which is also the case of Christians today. The verse is not implying that Mary is part of the Trinity, but that there were followers of Christ who deviated from God`s message and were worshipping Mary as God. If you google the term Collyridians, you will be able to find more info about them. They were present from 100 A.D. to 1600 A.D.

And as Allah said, “O Jesus son of Mary did you say to mankind, “Take me and my mother to your selves as two gods, apart from Allah ‘?” He said, All Extolment be to You! In no way is it for me to say what I have no right to. In case I ever said it. then You already know it. You know whatever is within my self, and I do not know what is within Your Self; surely You, Ever You, are The Superb Knower of the Things Unseen.

Sounds pretty clear to me. Mohammad is saying that we Christians believe Mary and Jesus are Gods apart from Allah. Therefore, when Mohammad says “Trinity”, those are the three.

Muslims don’t believe in Salvation through Jesus, because in the quran it is said humans become sinners only by their actions, and the human presence on earth is because God wanted Humans to be the caretakers of earth (not because of our sins); hence He created man the most intelligent of his creation to be able to fulfill this duty; and on Judgement Day, He will judge everyone based on their actions towards themselves and his creation.

Both the Orthodox Church and the Bible say that Jesus is Lord. The frantic ravings of this brigand, child-molesting, murderer and thief are not to be taken very seriously.

Also muslims believe that Jesus was raised to heavens by God (The father according to Christian beleif) to be saved from the plot (the crucifiction) that his opponents were planning for him. Jesus being the last messenger from Isaac side, and knowing the fact that the children of Israel had disobeyed God many times before and killed previous messengers, he did not allow for Jesus to be Crucified and raised him to heavens to return again among us before the end of times. Therefore, in the Quran, it is said that those who have plotted to crucify Christ ended being deceived by God and instead crucified what they thought was Jesus.

Well, according to Orthodox teaching, the New Testament and Roman historians, Jesus was crucified. I suppose we could go down the local prison and find out what today’s child molesters, murders and armed robbers think. Or we could just write off Mohammad and the other criminals and go with more reliable data.

26 Natschultz January 11, 2012 at 1:08 pm

Um, the descendants of Ishmael are Arabs, as in the early Christians who currently reside in the Middle East and are under constant attack by their Muslim neighbors in response to America’s Zionist Wars for Israel. Ironically, the Arab Christians and Arab Muslims got along until we began waging war against them. It was in Europe where the Muslims have been brutal terrorists since the false prophet Mohammed sent his hordes to destroy Christianity. Compare the history of the Greeks under Turkish domination (TERROR) to that of the Arab Christians under Turkish rule in Palestine (peaceful until the past century).

Militant Islam was actually born out of Imperialism and ethnic hatred more than Muslims hating Christians. It was a merger of the Asian Hordes and the Ottoman Turks that brutalized Europe under the banner of Islam.

In the Middle East where everyone was already Christian – Copts, Syriacs, Assyrians, Palestinians, the Arab Mohammedans managed to trick many fellow Christians into following their false prophet, similar to how the Mormons do today, and they lived relatively in peace together for centuries. They are the same ethnicity and the conversion was slow and peaceful, so it makes sense that they could live together in peace for so long.

In Europe it was totally different – they were invaders who wanted to conquer us for our wealth and land and they used Islamification as an excuse. Eventually, and today, it has evolved into world-wide Militant Islam intent on converting the entire world to follow their false prophet Mohammed or death to the “Infidels.”

Orthodox Christians in Europe REFUSED to worship Satan’s false prophet, so they brutalized us and the Orthodox fought to the death and saved Europe from domination by the Muslim Hordes. However, some were WEAK and fell to their knees and bowed down to Satan and their descendants are the Bosniaks (Bosnian Muslims) and Muslim Albanians. And today, Western Europe, worshipping Satan’s Secular-Progressive Socialist-Feminist ideology, has opened its arms wide and welcomed the Muslim Heresy and deliberately sacrificed Orthodox Christians (Serbs, Greeks and Russian Orthodox in Georgia).

As for the Muslim God, I’m pretty sure they claim it is the same God of Abraham, but it doesn’t matter since they worship a false prophet, just like the Mormons do. But the Jews, while they claim to worship the same God of Abraham as the Christians, in reality they are forsaking the God of Abraham by not accepting his Son Jesus Christ as the Messiah. That is why God destroyed their Temple, and He does not accept them and will keep punishing them until they accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

As for food, I don’t care if Jews and Muslims want to eat some religious stuff, but I HATE that we Christians are not given the choice to opt-out. It is not fair that we too are forced to buy it, because every kosher and halal item sold includes a fee going to those religious authorities, so that means we are being forced to tithe them. The only way to avoid it is to avoid prepared foods, which I do as much as possible.

There was actually a court case about this in the USA; the Jews used to force ALL food manufacturers to be kosher and pay the fee, and one company sued them and won, so now the food manufacturers do NOT have to have any religious certification if they choose not to. But try finding those products! European imports!

27 1389 January 11, 2012 at 1:32 pm

“America’s Zionist wars for Israel?” No such thing. The US has never fought any war on behalf of Israel or the Jews anywhere in the world. The US is an ally of Israel in name only. Ever since Reagan left office – and previously, during the Eisenhower, Nixon, and Carter administrations – the US has given its aid and support to Muslim interests at the expense of Israel.

It isn’t the “Jewish lobby” that has been influencing US foreign policy for the past seven decades and counting – it’s Middle Eastern oil interests.

28 WLIL January 11, 2012 at 6:48 pm


The fact fact there are too many international brands (food and nonfood) that submited either involuntarily or voluntarily to the halal label in many multifaith countries in Asia (even though where the islamics are not the majority or do not have the big majority) and that is unfair for us nonbelievers or of other faith who are NOT of the islamic faith and who DON’T follow the islamic faith and were forced to purchase something out of no choice due to the excessive halal labelling even on things that are not produced by islamic people. Producers who labeled their food diabetic or vegetarian are NOT comforming to any totalitarian ideology, but halal labelling had been known to infiltrate almmost all types of foods and beverages in many parts of multifaith Asia . That is THE problems. Furthermore it is UNPLEASANT to be confronted with only halal labeled stuff when one is NOT of islamic faith. I think most people prefer choices when they need to purchase something.

29 WLIL January 11, 2012 at 7:41 pm

To Lolita,

Furthermore, I am NOT for banning anything when I criticised anything that is excessive, unpleasant or posed a threat to our personal freedom. At the end of the day it is up to one individual free will to decide and to avoid being the another victim or a repeat victim of any totalitarian ideology. It is up to people to discuss about it.

30 Barbash January 12, 2012 at 10:19 pm

To the editor:

I believe you misunderstood what I wrote about the quran verse 5:116.

Muslims during the time of Muhammed, knew that Christians believed in Trinity as Father, Son and Holly Spirit because there were already Christians in Arabia and many became muslims:

Quran 5:110 …O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity…”

However, there was also another form of christianity in Arabia, a heresy, because its people worshiped Mary as part of the Trinity (As the father, the Son and Mary the mother). Bishop Epiphanius of Salamis called them the Collyridians, and there’s a denomination in their honor called:

31 CzechRebel January 13, 2012 at 12:09 am

That is NOT the interpretation we have heard elsewhere. Sorry.

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32 Ahmad June 20, 2012 at 1:33 am

The person who started this thread is either aggressively stupid or a hypocrite. First of all Muslims are not trying to shove halal food down non-Muslim throats. Muslims in Canada want halal food for THEMSELVES so as to satisfy their dietary requirements. What non-Muslims choose to eat is irrelevant as it will neither harm us nor benefit us. Secondly, the proof of this guy’s hypocrisy is the fact that he objected to halal yogurt claiming he has moral reservations against halal slaughter. First of all, unless you are totally brain dead, you should know that animals arent slaughtered to get yogurt, they are milked. So dont claim that halal slaughter is your objectuion. That is not your objection and you know it. You are simply a sad ignorant fool who doesnt want to consume anything remotely related to Islam due to your prejiduce.

But if you are going to stick to your fake objections against halal slaughter, you should know it is far far more humane than the hyper industrial machines of mass death you get your meat from. In the strictist halal slaughterhouses, cows and sheep are not slaughtered in front of each other (as barbaric secular slaughterhouses do) but each animal is isolated, given water to drink, and then with a very sharp knife has his throat slit. This is far more humane than eloctrocuting animals without killing them and then proceeding to butchering them while they are very much alive.

If I was an animal I would much rather die in a Muslim slaughterhouse with a prayer than watch hundreds of other cows or sheep being killed before my eyes. Anyone with a truly unbiased and unblemished mind will see that halal (as well as kosher for that matter) slaughter is far more civilized and humane.

33 Sarah Gordon December 17, 2012 at 2:42 pm

Editor’s note: We were tempted to just dump this comment. But it looks like Sarah Gordon is trying to win the Dumbest Troll of the Year Award. So, we will post some, but NOT all, of her trolling, and answer it, section by section, in italics.
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Thank you for making Canadians everywhere look dumb.

You are welcome. However, we wonder why you think we made the Canadians look dumb or why that would be a good thing. We regularly post articles by Canadians on 1389 Blog. You’re the first commenter who thinks we make Canadians look dumb.

I am Jewish.

We seriously doubt that you are Jewish. If you are Jewish, you are the dumbest Jew we ever came across.

Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the same G-d,

That is NOT true. While Christians and Jews worship the Lord, Muslims worship some demon, if not the devil herself!

For most of history relations between Judaism and Islam were better than relations between Judaism and Christianity, who had nothing nice to say about each other.

You need to study a little more history. Islam has never, ever had a good relationship with ANY other faith. Oh yes, when the Muslims are a minority, they can behave. However, the greater the percentage of Muslims in the population, the worse it gets for all non-Muslims, until non-Muslims are obliterated entirely. At least that is the way it has worked for the past 1,400 years.

As a religion that seeks converts, I’m sure they [the Muslims] do hope to convert everyone,

You tried to tell us that you were a Jew. What kind of Jew would want to see everyone convert to Islam?

You know, Jews and Muslims may not be getting along very well lately, but most Jews are still not stupid enough to believe the rubbish you’re saying.

Who elected you to speak for all, or even most, Jews? Megalomania much? We have loads of Jewish people who are with us. We post articles written by Jews. We hear from our Jewish readers all the time. Some of us (me for example) have Jewish blood relatives. FYI, Jews who do not want to die in a new holocaust at the hand of Muslims and Muslim sympathizers, are not “stupid” as you suggest. It is the smart ones who want to survive.

We know full well that we [the Jews] were well accepted and integrated into German society right before the Holocaust.

Although we still don’t believe that you are Jewish, we acknowledge that this is a well-known fact. Of course, it was when Hitler took Muslims into his Nazi regime that we had a holocaust. Al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, was the force behind the scenes who prompted Hitler and the Nazis to launch the holocaust. You can bet that the Muslims will be starting a new holocaust whenever and wherever they come to power. How many synagogues are there in Saudi Arabia?

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