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Originally posted at 2.0: The Blogmocracy

Here we go again…

Once again, we are seeing a link between a Muslim-majority nation and Nazi aggression. The Albanian Muslims profited from their Nazi ties to begin expropriating the Serbs in Kosovo. And the Nazi Alija Izetbegovic later became the first Muslim president, or perhaps warlord, of Bosnia & Hercegovina.

This time it’s Turkey. The vast majority of the population of Turkey is Muslim, even though Turkey is, by law, a secular state, at least for the time being.

Jihad Watch reports: “Clear off, Zionist dogs” painted on 1,700-year-old church in Turkey:

The offenders allegedly defaced the stone walls of the church on Monday with various slogans, such as “Clear off, bastards,” “Clear off, Zionist dogs,” “Heretics, lay off,” and “Zionist powers, clear off,” in Turkish and, “Allah u Muhammed,” and “Prophet Muhammad, fight the infidels and hypocrites,” in Arabic.

In addition, Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood have been very busy in Turkey radicalizing Muslims and stirring up anti-Semitism as well as enmity against Israel. The most recent upshot of that was Turkey’s involvement in staging the Gaza flotilla.

From the 1389 Blog Mailbox:

Subject: TURKISH EMBASSY HITLER SALUTE ON JULY 20, 2010
From: Cyprus Action Network of America
To: 1389 Blog Mailbox

Dear 1389,

Please publish and write about the following two links about the TURKISH EMBASSY HITLER SALUTE ON JULY 20, 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaM2Ns4THxc
(Look for Gunay Evinch in the background)

Thank you.

–Nikolaos Taneris, Press Officer, Cyprus Action Network of America (CANA)

TURKISH EMBASSY HITLER SALUTE ON JULY 20, 2010

For Immediate Release: July 21, 2010
Contact: Nikolaos Taneris, New York, Tel (917) 699-9935

NEW YORK—The Cyprus Action Network of America (CANA) demonstrated against the Turkish Embassy in Washington DC on July 20th, 2010 for the entire business day, to mark the 36-year anniversary of the illegal Turkish invasion of Cyprus that began on July 20, 1974. Greek-Cypriot demonstrators from the DC area and from as far away as Florida and New York participated. The Greek-Cypriot demonstration was helped by Armenian community supporters, (whose people are an integral part of Cyprus ) and suffer from the ongoing illegal Turkish-military-occupation, and by pro-Israel activists. The Greek-Cypriot demonstration applauded American celebrity Jennifer Lopez’s “NO” to Turkish terrorism. Protest slogans emphasized the Turkish Crimes against the Greek-Cypriot people and the brutality of the illegal Turkish invasion, and ongoing illegal Turkish military-occupation.

Many diplomats and journalists took pictures and videos of the demonstration, and diplomatic staff from the nearby Embassies of India, Japan and South Korea voiced their admiration of our commitment to justice and human rights by asking for our flyers and information about the Turkish Crimes committed in Cyprus.

GUNAY EVINCH AND THE TURKISH EMBASSY HITLER YOUTH

A counter demonstration was staged and closely supervised by Gunay Evinch, of the law firm Evinch and Saltzman. Gunay Evinch is widely acknowledged as “the lawyer of the Turkish Embassy.” Gunay Evinch has defended Turkey from American lawsuits by Greek-Cypriot Americans, he is the President of the Turkish Lobby. Gunay Evinch is a promoter of Armenian genocide denial within the United States and the source of Turkish invasion of Cyprus denial propaganda for Turkey in America.

The main speaker for the Turkish Embassy counter demonstrators (who was witnessed as receiving help and consulted with Gunay Evinch) repeatedly made the Hitler salute and shouted “Heil Hitler” towards pro-Israel activists and the Greek-Cypriot community. The Turkish Embassy staff also participated and helped GUNAY EVINCH AND THE TURKISH EMBASSY HITLER YOUTH who also barked out to the Greek-Cypriot community “Turkish soldiers raped your mothers” and further committed hate crimes against women by making obscene gestures with his genitalia and his megaphone. The Cyprus Action Network of America (CANA) will be releasing the pictures and videos of GUNAY EVINCH and his Turkish Hitler Youth making the Hitler salute to Jewish Anti-Semitism watch groups and to the Israeli and German government which monitors such hate speech and hate gestures and enforces heavy criminal penalities for glorifying Hitler:

PLEASE DISTRIBUTE THE FOLLOWING YOUTUBES AND PICTURE WIDELY:

YouTube: Turkish Embassy Hitler Salute on July 20, 2010
(Look for Gunay Evinch in the background)

YouTube: Turkish Embassy Celebrates Rapes of Greek-Cypriot Women
(Look for Gunay Evinch in the background)

YouTube: Turkish Embassy Genitalia Gestures
(Look for Gunay Evinch in the background)

Click for high-resolution picture of Gunay Evinch directing his Turkish Embassy Hitler Youth

Jewish-American writer and political commentator Daniel Pipes (who has been in communication with CANA) published a FASCINATING and commendable Op-Ed on July 20, 2010 in the Washington Times about the Turkish invasion of “Greek land” in Cyprus, and the Jennifer Lopez cancellation of her performance in Turkish-Occupied Cyprus. We republish it below.

The videos of the Turkish Embassy Hitler Salute should not at all be surprising, the Hitler book “Mein Kampf” is a runaway bestseller in Turkey, and Turkey has strong ties with anti-Semitic terrorist organizations such as Hamas (classified by the US government as a terrorist organization) The wildly popular anti-Semitic “Valley of the Wolves” movie and television series in Turkey falsely claims that Jews and Americans “harvest organs” from Muslims in Iraq.

In remembrance of July 20th the Cyprus Action Network of America (CANA) salutes all defenders of human rights, and the struggle and resilence of the survivor people of the nation of Israel and the survivor Greek-Cypriot people.

Click HERE to read the rest.

Now here’s a thought:

Greek-Cypriots: We Need a Defense Cooperation Agreement with Israel:

So hopefully Israel, Greece and Cyprus are learning a lesson that never should have needed learning, because of its painful obviousness. Now that all three find themselves “betrayed” by the Muslim world, they can try working together rather than against one another while trying to win over the Muslim and Arab world.

By 1389

It’s time to stir the pot some more

My last post on the brouhaha at Grouchy Conservative Pundits (GCP) was harshly worded indeed, but nonetheless it was not harshly worded enough. I haven’t rattled enough cages yet. Until I start getting some hate mail, enraged comments in all kinds of languages, and maybe even some juicy death threats, I never know if I’m getting my message out, rather than just preaching to the choir.

Lots of people talk about respect…

Talk is cheap. If you’re going to play that game with me, you’ll have to ante up. I believe in giving respect ONLY where respect is due. People who want my respect have to earn it, and they cannot earn it by spewing flagrant and undeserved disrespect toward me and others, as did “Mike C.” and “Rayra” on GCP.

Intellect alone is not deserving of respect; it depends on what people do with it. I have known many people far more intelligent than those two, and who behave far better.

Current or former military service (assuming these people are who they say they are, and I have my doubts) in and of itself is not enough to earn my respect either; there are just as many despicable people among the military and former military as there are everywhere else. I had a recent ex-boss of that description; he was, and is, a crook who treated me like dirt and then got rid of me by transferring me to another position where I would not be paid as much as my contract specified, simply because I didn’t play along with his chicanery in manipulating department budgets. That ex-boss was one more example of the fact that the most consistently untrustworthy people out there are the ones who always talk the loudest about “having someone else’s back.” Yeah, right…with a knife between the ribs.

As far as military personnel are concerned, don’t even get me started on those US military who willingly took part in the bombing of the Serbs during the Kosovo War, or who failed (and still fail) to protect the lives, property, and freedom of the Serbs in occupied Kosovo. Every officer involved should have resigned their commissions. Those who failed to resign have genocide on their consciences, though I doubt that any of them will ever admit it.

Is he or isn’t he? Only his gardener knows for sure

As I said, I cannot determine for sure whether or not “Rayra” is a plant. It’s just as likely that “Rayra” is merely a deeply angry, confused, frightened, and mentally and emotionally unstable individual who is too impulsive to think anything through, can never admit being wrong about anything, sees no reason to learn to control his temper, has no respect for women or anybody he considers to be weaker than himself, has no interest in where anybody else is coming from, and lashes out blindly at anybody or anything that he sees as a threat to his ego or to his self-centered world view. Or he could simply be an outright psychopath; I’ve had the misfortune to be acquainted with a few of those too.

For obvious reasons, I would never WANT somebody like “Rayra” even to claim to be on my side. He is more a danger to his friends, such as they are, than to his enemies.

But whether “Rayra” is actually a plant isn’t the most important concern here. The point is that, whether “Rayra” intends it or not, his intemperate and misguided remarks further the interests of expanding the corrupt and tyrannical use of federal government power.

Why do so many people hate Russia?

As I mentioned in my earlier post, a truly irrational hatred of Russia is rife on GCP, and anybody who says a word in favor of Russia becomes a target. I have reason to believe that Russia is not only far less of a “despotism” than the US, but also it runs the country in the interest of its own citizens, its economy is growing instead of collapsing, it respects Christianity, and its leaders are loyal to their own country. Russia is nothing like its portrayal in the mainstream media.

We are acquainted with an American expat who has lived near Moscow for many years, and we get some information about what is going on in Russia from the inside. Also, one of our friends is an amateur astronomer who travels all over the world whenever there is an eclipse. He’s a rock-solid conservative Republican and has been so for many decades. He went to Russia the last time there was an eclipse there, and he liked it so much that he seriously considered blowing off the eclipse-viewing to spend more time traveling in Russia and meeting Russians.

No, I don’t agree with everything that the Russian government does, just as I will never agree with everything that any government does. We live in a fallen world and all governments are fallible. But I can well understand why, at this stage, Russia is a rival of the US and not an ally. Yes, Russia COULD have been an ally, but Americans blew the opportunity through our own selfishness and ambition. The carpetbaggers that came over to Russia from Harvard and the liberal think-tanks after the Berlin Wall came down inflicted incredible damage; they are the ones to blame for letting the oligarchs and gangsters take hold for as long as they did. Since that time, Putin and Medvedev have made considerable inroads against the oligarchs and gangsters. They’ve also instituted a flat tax that is not excessively high, they collect it even-handedly, and unlike the US, they don’t double-tax Russian citizens earning money overseas. If they’ve had to play rough against the Chechen jihadis and the media whores and NGOs that support the jihadis, then good for them.

I understand that many people continue to harbor suspicion and hatred against Russia as a result of the heritage of the Cold War. I myself was as ardent a supporter of the US during the Cold War as anybody could be. However, in the present day, such hatred against Russia is counterproductive and it sinks to the level of irrational bigotry. I haven’t observed the same degree of opprobrium leveled at China, our other Cold War enemy, even though China is much less free than Russia, China is not primarily a Christian country, China is more of a rival to us than Russia is, and the remnants of communism persist much more strongly there.

Pot, meet kettle

I would no more condemn Putin for having been in the KGB in the distant past, than I would condemn George H. W. Bush for having headed the CIA, which has done little to protect us, and much to get us into needless trouble. At least Putin is a Christian who has repented of whatever wrongdoing he has committed in that regard. Can you imagine an American president ever repenting of anything? I sure can’t. I doubt that we’ve had a real Christian president since Ronald Reagan, despite numerous photo-ops intended to prove the contrary.

Anybody can see that we have an even bigger mess in the US. What inroads has our federal government made against the Latin-American drug gangs, the SEIU, George Soros and his circle of oligarchs, the traitors at the New York Times and CNN, the traitors in the State Department, the commies in our universities, the crooks who run Detroit and Chicago, and last but not least, the jihadis that infest every corner of the US?

Shooting the messenger

Of course, it sent many people on GCP into fits of outrage to hear me say that Russia, despite its current rivalry with the US, has been cleaning up its internal messes, while the US has been sinking into an abyss. Their response was to shoot the messenger.

And why do so many people hate the Serbs?

There is plenty of evidence that they hate the Serbs over at GCP. This is ironic, considering that GCP was founded by people banned from Little Green Footballs, and considering that I was banned from Little Green Footballs for supporting the Serbs. Their antipathy toward the Serbs also serves to explain some of their hatred toward Russia, simply because the Russians have made some efforts to help the Serbs.

The US government, along with NATO and the EU, is still doing everything it can to destroy the economy and livelihood and what little remains of the sovereignty and culture of the Serbs, in order to help the jihadis to create a stronghold in the Balkans. And that includes the US military. I don’t even want to think about how many people on GCP might have been personally involved in one way or another. That’s between them and their Maker.

This foreign policy is not merely stupid, it sinks to the level of treason. The whole purpose of throwing the Serbs under the bus is to curry favor with the Saudis and other Muslim oil-producing nations. A lot of good that has done us! We would have done better just to colonize them and take over and de-Islamize the Middle East just as we once de-Nazified western Europe. As anybody could have predicted, like every other bunch of totalitarians, the jihadis are inherently evil and they will always bite the hands that feed them, which is what led to 9-11.

Does that statement surprise you? In case you don’t know, Osama bin Laden travels on a Bosnian Muslim passport granted to him by the late Alija Izetbegovic, who was literally a Nazi. It is not appropriate to invoke Godwin’s Law here, because we’re talking about an actual Nazi of the Third Reich. Notice that I do not call Izetbegovic an ex-Nazi, in that he was a lifelong unrepentant Nazi who recruited for Hitler as a young man. And the US government sided with Izetbegovic in the Bosnian War.

This collaboration with the jihadis in the Balkans has been going on ever since Reagan left office. I have grave doubts about the moral worth of the American people for consistently electing governments that support our enemies in this way. How am I supposed to be loyal to a government that is collaborating with our enemies? If I had been in Norway during the Second World War, should I have been loyal to Vidkun Quisling?

I harbor a faint hope that enough people in some state, somewhere in the US, will see the light in time to secede from a Quisling federal government that is deliberately laying us open to our enemies, so that at least some part of the US will be salvaged. If the turnaround doesn’t happen very soon, long before the 2012 election, it will be too late, and the America that we thought we knew will exist in name only.

Some will insist on remaining under the US federal government no matter what, so that their livelihood (and maybe their lives) will be bled away to support a socialist/jihadi federal tyranny that has chosen to represent not “American exceptionalism” or the “city on a hill” but the worst of all possible worlds. That’s their choice, but let them not claim their willful blindness as moral superiority.

We all have them…

Being on the receiving end of anger and hate seems to be an inescapable part of the human condition. At any moment, somebody out there may harbor ill will toward us. Sometimes it is for reasons we can understand, sometimes not.

I remember a classmate in college telling me that he had sat down at a table to study, and a girl, with whom he was not acquainted, had scowled at him and moved away. His complaint was that he wanted everybody to like him, and he was bothered by the fact that a complete stranger had turned up her nose at him. I told him, “Well, that’s too bad, but it’s impossible to get everyone in the whole world to like you. That’s just the way life is!”

Sometimes the hostility is expected. We got a death threat or two from the articles about Geert Wilders’ Fitna movie, but we figure that just goes with the territory. Anybody who expresses an opinion or takes a stand is liable to stir up some anger and hatred. On the other hand, those who never express an opinion may be accused of spinelessness, sloth, or stupidity. So it’s impossible to make a favorable impression on everybody.

Enemies versus the human spirit

We cannot afford to let our enemies define who we are.

Whether we choose our enemies or they choose us, we can still be in a boatload of spiritual trouble, often without realizing it. I was unable to determine where the following quotation comes from; it may perhaps be from Lao Tzu. Be that as it may, its truth is all too often borne out by the record of human history:

Choose your enemies carefully, because you will become more and more like them.

Spiritual survival

This may surprise many readers, but the traditions of the Orthodox Christian Church include prayer “for those who hate us.” The following is from page 23 of A Manual of Eastern Orthodox Prayers, published by St. Vladimir’s Seminary Press, Crestwood, NY 1991.

Prayers for Our Enemies

Troparion
Thou who didst pray for them that crucified thee, O Lord, lover of the souls of men, and who didst command thy servants to pray for their enemies, forgive those who hate and maltreat us, and turn our lives from all harm and evil to brotherly love and good works: for this we humbly bring our prayer, that with one accord and one heart we may glorify thee who alone lovest mankind.

Kontakion
As thy first martyr Stephen prayed to thee for his murderers, O Lord, so we fall before thee and pray: forgive all who hate and maltreat us and let not one of them perish because of us, but all be saved by thy grace, O God the all-bountiful.

Clarification:

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Readers of this blog should feel free to comment on this or any other article in this blog. Some have already done so. You are invited to join the discussion.

The children’s jihad, brought to you by Hamas

Fellow newsblogger Cristy Li passed this along to me:

Hamas Rabbit To Children:
“I Will Finish Off The Jews And Eat Them”

Yes, it’s that disgusting.

Here’s a screen shot of the video:

Assud, the Hamas propaganda rabbit:

Nahoul, the Hamas propaganda bee

Farfur, the Hamas propaganda mouse

Live-action child abuse, brought to you by Hamas

Know your children’s enemy: Hamas

Our side has been playing whack-a-mole with Hamas kiddie hate propaganda for quite some time.

From Palestinian Media Watch:

Palestinian Authority Television For Children, under the control of Mahmoud Abbas, has now introduced ‘Assud the Rabbit’ on its weekly “Tomorrows Pioneers” program.

Farfur Mouse was first introduced but martyred by a Jew, then Nahoul Bee died when the Israeli siege of Gaza prevented him from reaching a hospital. Tomorrows Pioneers have now introduced Assud the Rabbit telling children, “…I Assud will finish off the Jews and eat them…”

What lovable characters courtesy of Hamas, teaching children to hate Jewish people and Israel.

Update: Mo-Toons and Cannibalism

Atlas Shrugs: Hamas Kids! Don’t Eat Danish, Eat Danes!

You can’t make this stuff up. Rearing a generation of cannibals. Good luck with that …and Obama wants to talk to these guys right? The West is lost ….. From Palestinian Media Watch.

Hamas Kids TV: Don’t eat Danish food — eat the Danes

Al-Aqsa TV (Hamas) Feb. 22, 2008
By Itamar Marcus And Barbara Crook

Hamas children’s TV dedicated a program to hatred of Denmark, the West and Israel, climaxing with a statement about the West by the co-host, a giant rabbit character named Assud:

“If they repeat it we will kill them … I will bite them and eat them!”

The program focuses on the demand to boycott Danish and Israeli products. Denmark and the West are targeted because of the cartoons featuring Muhammad that first appeared in a Danish newspaper. Israel is targeted because it exists. Saraa, the young TV hostess, describes the publication of the Muhammad cartoons as “the West’s attack against the Messenger [Muhammad].”

[Read the rest.]

More:

• PAKISTAN: Child suicide bombers “victims of the most brutal exploitation”
• Suicide bomber, 12, at UK school
• ‘Suicide Bomber’ DVD For Kids Out In UK
• British children targeted with terror sing-along DVD for would-be suicide bombers

From Atlas Shrugs:

Kafir Alalazoo  over at The Jawa Report has done a great service to the free world in assembling the frightening rise in  Jew hatred worldwide. You must watch it. You think you know. But you don’t.

There’s much more over at The Jawa report substantiating this cancer of the soul. GO, read it all. I do this everyday and it knocked me out.

THE PATH TO THE FINAL SOLUTION – The Jawa Report

This blog has been a long time coming.

The first rumblings began many months ago, when the proliferation of blatant antisemitism in comments at LiveLeak, YouTube and an assortment of blogs and forums began to open my eyes.

As a member of the Global Zionist Conspiracy™ (although somewhat behind in my union dues), I was already aware that Jew hatred had been with us for some time, and that it still lingered in the shadows. What I was unprepared for was it’s seemingly sudden reemergence into the light, and welcome acceptance into mainstream political and social discourse.

During the intervening months, this new awareness caused me some consternation… and I found myself going in search of this filth.

You’d be amazed how easily one can locate vast resources of images, quotes and comments, videos, blogs and a variety of other propaganda blaming the Jews for everything up to, and including, the attacks of 9/11, AIDS, every global economic tremor and even weather patterns in the Middle East!

You’d be amazed, that is, if you had not already encountered this in your travels – and if you’ve been on the Internet for more than 15 minutes, you have.

In response to this, I have created a video presentation called "The Path To The Final Solution".

If you were not already aware of this resurgence of antisemitism, I hope this video will raise your awareness, and I hope you will aid me by sending it to your friends, family, co-workers and anyone who might benefit from seeing it.*

Due to the 10 minute time limit imposed by YouTube, I had to remove a large volume of material from this video, and I was forced to gloss over several notable items.

Among these is the organized Jew hatred practiced by the states that comprise the United Nations.

From the Soviet backed resolution equating Zinoism with racism, to the U.N. acceptance of a terrorist group (the PLO) as Israel’s equal, and the United Nations’ more recent response to the war instigated by Hezbollah in Lebanon, the community of nations has repeatedly sought to undermine Israel’s security and sovereignty.

Another subject I had insufficient time to address is the sheer volume of Jew hatred that can be found in recent comments at sites like YouTube, LiveLeak, and even here at The Jawa Report.

You’ve likely already encountered TJR’s resident Joo haters, but I’d like to share some of the "good thoughts" that members of YouTube and Live Leak have for those of the Jewish persuasion.

They are below the fold… and they are just a small sampling, a few drops in an ocean of hate.

Because this is not only important to me personally, but because it represents such a grave and growing danger to Jews world-wide, I’ll ask again:

Please help me to disseminate this video.

Send it to your friends and family. Post it in your blogs or on your MySpace pages. Send it to media outlets or influential bloggers.
Just get it out there.

Thank you for your help with this.

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*I am sure our resident Ron Paul supporters, in particular, will be most anxious to help me in this endeavor, and to do whatever they can to dispel the perception that Ron Paul is a racist, is supported by racists, and that he is capitalizing (literally) on the broad support of every hate monger, conspiracy theorist and isolationist in the country.

That Paul has successfully enlisted the support of so many fanatics, from such varying (and antithetical) groups as 60′s liberals and white supremacists is truly remarkable, and equally disturbing.

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Recent Comments From YouTube & LiveLeak

He has so much more. Go.

Yes, the tour is still on…

Nazi Rock Band Thompson Touring Melbourne, Sidney, Adelaide, Perth

Nazis evidently have powerful friends in Australia

TENC: Croatian Ustashe (clerical-fascists) in Australia? So what else is new?

As Croatian clerical-fascist rock star Thompson’s Australian tour reaches its half-way mark, with the big question: will Immigration Minister Sen. Chris Evans do the right thing and rescind Thompson’s visa, which he granted with the remarkable proviso that Thompson “will be told that he must not ‘vilify, incite discord or represent a danger to the community’” [1] (which raises the question: why not just grant visas to armed suicide bombers as long as they promise not to set themselves off?), it is worthwhile noting that in Australia Thompson is currently playing to the children and grand children of serious Nazis.

[1] (See following news clip)

The Australian: Tour visa for ‘fascist’ rock singer attacked

Greg Roberts | December 22, 2007

JEWISH and Serbian community leaders have attacked a decision by Immigration Minister Chris Evans to grant a visa to controversial Croatian rock singer Marko Perkovic.

Senator Evans decided yesterday not to overrule a decision by his department to allow Perkovic to travel to Australia next week for a four-state concert tour sponsored by the Croatian community.

Perkovic will be told he must not “vilify, incite discord or represent a danger to the community” during his visit.

Senator Evans made the decision after departmental officers viewed footage of a concert by Perkovic in July in the Croatian capital, Zagreb. The footage shows fans using Nazi salutes and chanting “Kill the Serbs”.

Perkovic’s critics say his songs eulogise Croatia’s fascist World War II Ustashi regime, which killed 700,000 Serbs, Jews and gypsies. George Marinkovic, publisher of Melbourne’s Serbian Voice newspaper, said he was appalled by the visa decision.

“Here is the Labor Government, which got the votes of many Serbian people, betraying us,” he said.

B’nai B’rith Anti-Defamation Commission director Manny Waks said the Jewish community was dismayed. “It is very disappointing that as one of its first acts, the Labor Government is promoting a person who is a beacon for racists and neo-Nazis,” he said.

Perkovic will perform before 3000 fans at a concert in Melbourne’s Festival Hall next Saturday. He had been scheduled to perform at the Melbourne Knights Soccer Club premises, but the club cancelled the booking when it was revealed by The Australian in October.

Perkovic will also perform at the home of the Sydney United soccer team, the Croatian Sports Centre in Adelaide and the Burswood Theatre in Perth.

Senator Evans declined to comment yesterday.

Double standard: Aussie anti-vilification laws not enforced against sports hooligans or neo-Nazis

The Australian Jewish News: Leaders divided over pro-Nazi rock band tour

(December 16, 2007)
NAOMI LEVIN

JEWISH leaders are divided over how to deal with the impending Australian tour of Croatian rock band Thompson.

While Manny Waks, executive director of the B’nai B’rith Anti-Defamation Commission (ADC), has met with the immigration minister to request that Thompson band members be refused entry visas, Anton Block, president of the Jewish Community Council of Victoria (JCCV), has said the band had a right to perform in Australia providing it does not break any laws.

Thompson is a nationalist band that openly supports the Ustashe – a pro-Nazi regime responsible for thousands of deaths – and its concerts around the world have been attended by audiences who wear Nazi insignia on their shirts. Reports also allege that Thompson crowds give Nazi salutes in response to some of the band’s more provocative songs.

With a sold-out Sydney concert on New Year’s Eve and concerts in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth commanding up to $100 per ticket, Thompson has a loyal following among Australia’s Croatian community.

Block said that Thompson does attract a controversial following, but providing it adheres to vilification and offensive behaviour laws, the band, which performed here in 2005, should be permitted to play.

“Thompson has in the past attracted a pro-fascist following who glorify in the symbolism of the dreaded World War II Balkan paramilitary group the Ustashe,” Block said.

“Thompson has a right to perform their music in Melbourne. However, we ask that they respect our laws and recognise that Nazi-era symbols are treated in Australia with the contempt and abhorrence that they deserve.”

Last week Waks met Immigration Minister Senator Chris Evans and Parliamentary Secretary Laurie Ferguson to discuss the issue. Evans told Waks he was personally looking into the matter of granting Marko Perkovic, lead singer of Thompson, a visa, and had requested a briefing from his department on the issue.

Waks said that despite the eventual outcome, the ADC was concerned that the Croatian community had invited the band and supported the tour.

The Geelong-based Australian Croatian Association is sponsoring the Melbourne leg of Thompson’s tour. A spokesperson for the club told a local Croatian community website that the concert is “definitely going ahead and we are very pleased that everything has been confirmed”.

News of Thompson’s tour comes less than a month after a function by neo-Nazi group Blood and Honour was held at the Melbourne Croatia Community Club.

Representatives from that club said they “regrettably” hired out their hall to Blood and Honour, but that “not a single member of the Croatian community” was at the concert.

After hiring its venue to Blood and Honour, the club representatives said they would be more diligent in checking the backgrounds of parties using their facility.

…but anti-vilification laws are used against Christian ministers who expose Muslim doctrine…

Big Yellow Taxi: Christian Pastors, Muslims, and Free Speech in Australia

…and evidently also against Serbs who enjoy sentimental love ballads!

Mercury – The Voice of Tasmania: ‘Gestapo club’ strikes again

By Greg Roberts
October 31, 2007 12:00am

SERBIAN and Jewish community leaders are outraged that the social arm of the Melbourne Knights Soccer Club is hosting a concert by a Croatian rock star with a strong following among neo-Nazi sympathisers.

The revelation follows the club’s apology for staging a concert for neo-Nazi skinheads at its North Sunshine complex this month.

A concert by Marko Perkovic will be hosted by the Knights-affiliated Melbourne Croatia Social Club at the complex on December 28.

Perkovic, Croatia’s top rock star, uses the stage name Thompson, in honour of the American-issued sub-machinegun of the same name that he carried as a soldier in Croatia’s war of independence against Yugoslavia in the early 1990s.

George Markovic, the publisher of Melbourne’s Serbian Voice newspaper, said the Knights should steer clear of extremist elements.

“People in our community are thinking of the Knights as the Gestapo Club,” Mr Markovic said.

Mr Markovic said Perkovic had been granted visas for previous visits to Australia, while Serb singer Ceca Raznatovic has been denied a visa in 2005.

“It’s double standards,” he said.

B’nai B’rith Anti-Defamation Commission director Manny Waks said Perkovic’s visit reflected badly on the Knights and the Croatian community.

“It is unacceptable,” Mr Waks said.

The Weekend Australian reported on Saturday that Melbourne Knights chairman Matt Tomas had censured his club’s social arm for providing a venue for the October13 concert by skinhead rock bands.

Mr Tomas yesterday again expressed exasperation at the Croatia Social Club.

“I can understand why people are upset and just wish the social club would focus on its football identity,” he said.

Croatia Social Club committee member Ivan Skunca said the club was not concerned about outside criticism.

“The Serbs can say what they like. It doesn’t bother us,” Mr Skunca said.

Immigration Minister Kevin Andrews said Perkovic had yet to submit a visa application, but it would be carefully considered.

But wait, there’s more!

We just received this newsletter from The Emperor’s New Clothes (TENC) * www.tenc.net

Dear readers,

Below is the first part of a three part brief from Emperor’s Clothes, arguing why Australia’s immigration minister, Sen. Chris Evans, must reverse his ruling granting visas to Marko Perkovic Thompson and his band, which grant was accompanied by the remarkable proviso that, while in Australia, Thompson refrain from racist outrages. The only problem is: Thompson is a racist outrage.

The present email is the first of three comprising the full brief. It includes video evidence that supporters at Thompson’s Sydney New Years Eve concert-celebration celebrated the Croatian Ustashe. But then, so do Thompson’s songs.

As noted in another article, in 1973 an Australian Labor Party leader stood up to the Ustashe.

Will the Labor Party’s current immigration minister stick with his pro-Ustasha ruling, and if so, will the current Labor Party tolerate it? We shall see. So far, not a peep of protest from Labor, and not a word of response to us from Evans. The opposition to Thompson in Australia has been politically weak, making it easy for Evans to issue his ruling.

Easy to rule; but afterwards one must live with one’s rulings.

Jared Israel
Editor, Emperor’s Clothes

www.tenc.net

Rescind Marko Perkovic Thompson’s Visa, senator Evans!

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Jan. 1, 2008

From: Jared Israel
Member, International Commission on Jasenovac
Editor, Emperor’s Clothes www.tenc.net
emperorsclothes@tenc.net

To: Senator Chris Evans
Minister for Immigration and Citizenship
Parliament House Canberra ACT 2600
senator.evans@aph.gov.au

Dear Senator Evans:

I am writing you because your office has, I hope unwittingly, perpetrated a miscarriage of justice, both de jure, in terms of Australian law, and de facto, as regards harmony among peoples, both in Australia and worldwide, the protection of which requires zero tolerance for fascism.

I am referring to your decision to permit the granting of visas to Marko Perkovic Thompson and his associates, enabling them to perform at concerts in Melbourne and Sydney on December 29 and 31, respectively, and, unless you rescind these visas, on January 5 and 6, 2008, in Adelaide and Perth.

In granting Thompson a visa, your office apparently warned him against “vilification” of various groups – his usual targets are Serbs, Jews and ‘non-whites.’ By attaching this unusual qualification, you have implied that, despite granting Thompson a visa, he in fact fails the ‘character test’ for granting visas under the Australian Migration Act of 1958.

Thompson does indeed vilify, but that is not all he does. His music teaches clerical-fascism, the Croatian Ustaša variety, imbuing fascist ideas with the power of rock. His purpose in coming to Australia is, at minimum, to strengthen the clerical-fascist element in the large Croatian-Australian community, which has had a Ustaša problem in the past. Thompson’s presence is therefore a serious danger.

It is in your power to rescind Thompson’s visa, or you may disregard the evidence that follows. In either case you will of necessity take a stand, not only regarding Thompson’s ‘character,’ but your own politics.

Read the entire letter.

To our readers, and other bloggers and admins:

As we all know, some people in the world are angry and destructive, and many of those are on the Internet. These angry people exert a negative effect on anyone who has the misfortune to encounter them, even if it is only a feeling of fatigue and disgust. Some angry and destructive persons are genuinely dangerous.

The Internet is a tool that can be used for good or ill. The team at 1389 Blog is working hard to do some good: to use the Internet to confront and curb jihadism and expansionist Islam, and to provide knowledge and tools to others who are working to accomplish the same goals. We will never allow anyone to abuse the comments on this blog for the purpose of undermining this effort.

False accusations, mudslinging, and editorial discretion

We have grown especially weary and disgusted with haters who use blogs, comments, forums, Wikis, social news sites, or email to circulate false allegations against others – whether it be public figures, other bloggers, entire groups of people, or whomever else they hate. Despite claims of “fairness” and “impartiality,” disinformation has been planted throughout Wikipedia and other social media, where it becomes fuel for flame wars, mudslinging, and propaganda.

Typically, one or more responders will put in hours or days of unpaid effort to refute those accusations, but then, the malicious accuser simply goes elsewhere and starts the same process all over again.

We have other things to do besides responding to the same falsehoods again and again. If these miscreants can’t win the argument on facts and logic, they hope to win by shouting us down and wasting our time.

Yes – these haters have the right to post what they want – on their own blogs – and to face whatever consequences accrue. When haters commit libel, their victims may sue. When haters incite violence against the persons or groups that they hate, they have passed the boundaries of protected political speech, and we will do what we can to shut them down.

No one has the right to take advantage of other people’s blogs and websites to spew false accusations, obscenities, and bile in front of the readership that reputable bloggers and admins have worked so hard to earn. No one has the right to spam the comments or forum threads on someone else’s website for the purpose of interfering with that website or harassing its owners and participants.

Excluding malicious comments is not censorship – it is vital editorial discretion. No blog or forum administrator – or for that matter, no publisher or media producer – can, or should, publicize every response that comes in. Bigoted ranting, name-calling, bullying and threats, spam, obscenity, incoherent rambles, libel and slander, and ad hominem attacks, attract a lynch-mob mentality, drive away decent readers and participants, and expose the website or organization to repercussions, legal or otherwise. And the endlessly misused argumentum ad Nazium, a/k/a reductio ad Hitlerum, is a signal to readers that the argument has worn itself out, and that intelligent life has departed from that venue.

Oh, and by the way…

If you want to argue with us, you’d better be loaded for bear. We expect to see verifiable evidence and valid logic, presented in a clear and civil manner. Just for starters:

• Calling us liars, racists, Nazis, or whatever else is evidence only of your incivility. Accusing us of being “racists” or “Holocaust deniers” or “fascists” merely because we do not accept your accusations against Jews, Israelis, Serbs, European conservatives, white Americans, or whomever it is you happen to hate, doesn’t cut it either.
• Hearsay, rumors, innuendo, or unconfirmed urban legends, or something you thought you heard from a “friend of a friend,” does not make for sufficient evidence to back up an allegation.
• Articles in Wikipedia are acceptable only for noncontroversial matters, such as technical background, computer and Internet history, and definitions of words and phrases (as shown here in the previous item). But when it comes to controversial political, religious, or historical issues, Wikipedia is far too vulnerable to vandalism, flame wars, and spin, and we generally cannot accept it as evidence. (See our Reference Material resource page, and Byzantine Sacred Art: Wikipedia, the Source of Disinformation, for more on Wikipedia spin jobs.)
• For that matter, we roundly condemn Wikipedia’s self-righteous pretense of enforcing a neutral point of view. It is senseless to make a virtue out of amorality! When we write or blog, we do our best to gather and publish the whole truth and nothing but. There is no neutral ground between right and wrong, between good and evil, between truth and error. There is no room for diluting the truth by presenting falsehood alongside it, in an effort to appear “fair and balanced.” The devil has too many spokesmen already, and too many spokeswomen too!
• Making patronizing remarks, such as claiming that you “pity” us, is nothing more than mudslinging disguised behind a false sense of moral superiority, and it will get your remarks flushed into the spam bucket without a second thought.
• If you, or any of your sources have a vested interest in the issue that could affect credibility, we expect you to disclose it.
• Just because you saw something in the mainstream media does not automatically mean it is true. Many stories, photos, and videos have appeared in the mainstream media and have later been shown to be planted by untrustworthy sources, staged, mislabeled, Photoshopped, or otherwise falsified. Check it first!

In particular, we will not post comments that contain racist or bigoted ranting, especially the anti-Semitic ranting and the Serb-bashing that seems to be plaguing the blogosphere these days. We don’t care how many times you have seen or heard the same piece of Serb-bashing or Jew-bashing or Israel-bashing in the blogosphere or even in the mainstream media. As we have just pointed out, this does NOT make it true, nor does it give you any right to repeat it here.

What’s a blogger or admin to do?

1389 Blog posts a comments policy and we enforce it consistently. Anyone with a modicum of common sense should already be aware of what is acceptable on this and most other blogs. But if you have any doubts, read it before you send us email or comment on this, or any other, post on this blog.

We encourage people to post comments or use the Contact Us form in our blog to expose injustice or other wrongdoing. We have no objection to leveling verifiable accusations against public officials or other culpable individuals, organizations, or governments. We have no objection to polemics or to strong opinions. We encourage readers to engage in vigorous debate and to point out any factual errors that we or other commenters might make. We also encourage readers to investigate and report suspicious incidents and criminal or terrorist activity, and to keep us up to date with that information. But if the accusations cannot be substantiated, the communication in question will be either refuted or deleted.

It is up to us, as bloggers and admins, to maintain civility in our part of the blogosphere. If we fail to make this effort, the better part (in both senses of the word) of our audience will leave. I suggest that it is time for each of us to set up and enforce our comment policies to stop that from happening. And when it comes to dealing with haters, I suggest that we take care neither to let malicious commenters spew their bile until everyone else gives up and lets the haters have the last word, nor to allow false accusations to stand unanswered in any of our comment or forum threads.

Also see:

• There’s an angry fire in cyberspace
• Foehammer’s Anvil: Words of Warning to Commenters
• The definitive guide to Trolls – Ubuntu Forums
• Flame Warriors Home
• Attacking genuine evil in the blogosphere

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