Will Pope Francis I excommunicate Joe Biden on Tuesday?

by 1389 on March 14, 2013

in 1389 (blog admin), abortion/pro-life, Barack Hussein Obama, Roman Catholic Church

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This could get interesting.

The Pope has the power, not only to refuse Communion to Biden at the Mass, but also to proclaim publicly that no one else is to give Communion to Biden until he publicly recants his pro-abortion stance. If he meant what he said, that is what he will do.

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UPDATE: What happened?

{ 26 comments… read them below or add one }

1 Adrienne March 14, 2013 at 2:00 pm

Ummm – no. That’s not his job. It’s up to his bishop. What I do expect is for Pope Francis to send a message to Biden to not present himself for communion. The MSM will dutifully not report that Biden did not receive communion.

2 1389 March 14, 2013 at 2:19 pm

@Adrienne,

According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, the Pope CAN excommunicate someone himself. There are various levels and types of excommunication, and because he has jurisdiction over all Catholic clergy, he can require all of the clergy to abide by it. In addition, he has the power to proclaim the excommunication publicly, and to determine what conditions are necessary to absolve excommunicated persons and restore them to communion.

3 CzechRebel March 14, 2013 at 2:30 pm

Don’t worry. Francis will do nothing. This will all be forgotten in a few weeks. Half-witted American Roman Catholics will still vote for pro-abortion Democrats. I lost my faith in Popes back in 1054 A.D.

Prove me wrong, Francis! I dare you!

4 JettieG March 14, 2013 at 3:59 pm

A quandary for the US and other pro-same sex, pro-abortion-type countries, including the new Pope’s Argentina, to send a high-level emissary to the Vatican for the Pope Francis’ Inauguration. All could save face if the Vatican sends out letters indicating anyone who goes against the Church’s belief are not welcome.
Great site, 1389AD. I think you would get more followers if you signed on to DISQUS. :cool:

5 1389 March 14, 2013 at 4:42 pm

@JettieG,
We would still have to moderate the comments. The trouble is that a pro-Serb, pro-Israel, conservative, counterjihad blog is just about the most effective troll bait you can imagine. Also, I don’t like having the blog become dependent on an outside service that might conceivably go down or lose our data. If the comments are in our Wordpress database along with everything else, I can back them up and restore them.

6 JettieG March 14, 2013 at 5:06 pm

Understood, 1389. I’ll pop in to read. ;-)

7 EBL March 14, 2013 at 5:46 pm
8 Suze March 14, 2013 at 5:57 pm

Ruh-roh,
looks like this administration has a high profile problem….how to come off as pro catholic so as not to alienate all those latino and italian voters
while somehow not compromising their stance of the catholic church being a hate group.
The administration HAS to be nice-nice….which will be high profile at this important historical junction for Argentina, and it will invigorate catholics to renew their faith…(which in itself won’t help Obama at all…but he has no choice here).,
but it will harm this admin with the pro-abortion and gay marriage group. That’s the kind of mess you get in when you have a political agenda and nothing else.

9 Suze March 14, 2013 at 6:51 pm

Oh what a tangled web we weave when first (or always) we practice to deceive.

10 1389 March 14, 2013 at 7:21 pm

@Suze,
That’s for sure! Obama’s and Biden’s handlers are in a real quandary, if they even understand the problem that confronts them. My guess is that they just don’t get it.

@EBL,
I am on a slow and unreliable cellphone dialup connection from “somewhere out there” and I had problems with trying to leave a comment on your blog. Both Pope Francis I and the actor are of Italian ancestry and similar age, so some degree of facial resemblance is no surprise. Good catch, though!

Here’s a different Separated At Birth.

11 Good Grief March 14, 2013 at 8:52 pm

@Adrienne:
Every time you see someone start their comment with “Umm,” you can bank on the fact that they’re about to talk down to someone who probably doesn’t deserve it, and they’ll likely be wrong as well. ;-)

12 JettieG March 14, 2013 at 9:46 pm

Easy, GG, easy. Have a lamb bone.

13 Angrymike March 14, 2013 at 11:54 pm

Posted…………;-)

14 Robert March 15, 2013 at 12:16 am

Conversion of heart often takes time…God works on his schedule and plan, not ours. Biden’s time is coming soon.

15 Adrienne March 15, 2013 at 10:20 pm

@ Good grief – I was in no way talking down to anyone. I don’t do that. 1389 is correct in that the Pope can excommunicate someone. It’s just not likely that he would interfere in this issue (no matter how much we’d all like to see Pope Francis smite Biden) :lol:

16 Suze March 15, 2013 at 10:35 pm

Robert, interested in what you meant by Biden’s time is coming soon concerning a conversion. Now that would be more miraculous than his suddenly seeing the light of conservatism.

17 Neil Craig March 18, 2013 at 12:59 pm

Buiden is the obscene Nazi animal who said he wanted to put all 10 million Serbs into “nazi style concentration camps”. “His Holimness” didn’t excom unicate him or the rest of thye racist filth who make up the Demonazi party because his church had already been funding Croatian Nazis and arming Moslem Nazis in Kosovo.

I don’t think scum who do that are really going to be interested in whether Biden is aborting foetuses, do you?

18 1389 March 18, 2013 at 1:00 pm

@Neil Craig,
No, I don’t – but on the other hand, it’s our job to hold the feet of the powerful to the fire.

19 bo March 18, 2013 at 1:26 pm

The Pope does not need to do anything. Joe Biden has been excommunicated. Cannon Law 1398 provides: “A person who procures a completed abortion incurs a latae sententiae excommunication” It has been consistently held by the Church that when a person publicly argues in favor of abortion they automatically excommunicate themselves. Similarly, a politician who votes in favor of abortion excommunicates themselves. (See for instance http://www.catholicplanet,.com). Thus, the Joe Bidden, the Kennedys, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, etc. etc. etc. are simply no longer Catholics because of their own actions.

20 1389 March 18, 2013 at 1:28 pm

My point is that Joe Biden should be denied the Eucharist, and that the Pope should warn all bishops and priests not to give him the Eucharist.

21 Bob March 18, 2013 at 2:14 pm

Judements – one of the many sins to ask forgiveness for. You are not the leaders of the Church – do remeber that! Hope you all ask for confession before you receive communion!

22 CzechRebel March 18, 2013 at 3:02 pm

@ Bob

We realize that your comments are directed at 1389, but I will handle this one myself.

First of all, let me assure you, that I have it a good authority that 1389 goes to Confession on a very regular basis. However, from your comment “before you receive communion”, we assume that you are Roman Catholic. Well, some in the Russian tradition see it as necessary Communion prep, but most of the Orthodox whom I know don’t see it quite the same way.

Also, you don’t seem to understand that ALL Orthodox Christians are leaders for the Church. Our Protestant brethren tend to call this “the priesthood of all believers.” Orthodox laity have every right to criticize our priests and bishops, and we often do. Someone recently spoke in an Ancient Faith Radio podcast of an elderly Eastern European woman screaming advice at her Bishop and if we can find it, we will post it.

True, the so-called hierarchy keeps us in line and we depend on them to do so. However, we all serve the Lord, and they must serve their flock, which is us. They depend on us to keep them on them straight and narrow, as well. When our Bishops make a decision in council, we the laity, but the grace of the Holy Spirit, either accept it or reject it. It has always been that way. There were three so-called “Ecumenical Councils” between the First Ecumenical Council in Nicaea and the Second Ecumenical Council in Constantinople. The priests and laity refused to accept their findings. Likewise, there have been two councils that more or less merged Orthodoxy with the church in Rome. We the laity rejected them. It happens all the time! So, don’t jump up on some “high horse” and tell us how to do things. We have been doing it this way for about 2,000 years now.

From our perspective, it seems that too many Roman Catholics have being saying “Sieg Heil” to the Pope so much, that they think we should be doing it in Orthodoxy, but we do not. Of course, I kiss the hand of my priest and bishop like any other good Orthodox Christian does following a blessing, but that does not mean that I would hesitate to question any assertion or action on their part that might be questionable.

We are not sure what a “Judement” is. The Book of Jude is a very important part of our Bible. We don’t consider it sinful to read it. If you are accusing her of adding Judaism to the faith, we don’t see how that could be either.

Do you mean “judgement” by any chance? If so, you are really off base. While judging others may be sinful in some situations, we are required to make good judgments about many things in our lives.

If you are accusing her of judging the Pope, you are even further from reality. Perhaps you can neither read or spell.

Let me make this clear to you. The Pope needs to either put up or shut up. Is he willing to actually excommunicate pro-murder politicians, as he said, or is he not? If he changed his mind, now would be a good time to say, “just kidding.” However, the fact remains that his comment seems to be nothing more than a cheap publicity stunt, the type of thing that we would expect from a Rock musician and not from a church leader. If the Pope starts excommunicating these pro-murder politicians, he is a righteous man of God. If not, he has judged himself. And who are you to judge 1389 in the first place?

23 bob korol March 18, 2013 at 3:09 pm

I think if Joe plays his cards right, there will be no problem. He should tell Francis that he will use his good offices to end invasions of other countries which result in killing far more innocent poor people than any pro-abortion policy that he supports.

Bob

24 CzechRebel March 18, 2013 at 3:41 pm

@ bob korol

Is the name “Bob” some code word for struggling student? The last “Bob” to comment on this post seems to have failed reading and spelling. It doesn’t look like math was one of your better subjects.

According to a website that tracks that sort of thing, there have been over 56,000,000 abortions in the US since Roe v. Wade. Invading any country that size would be a major undertaking. And an invasion by the US doesn’t normally kill a very high percentage of the population. The entire death count world-wide of all peoples touched by World War II does reach such a staggering level, but not the few US interventions since 1973.

However, you do have a point about US invasions. However, where was Joltin Joe Biden–the then Senator from Delaware–when Clinton was killing innocent Serbs? Before that, did he use his sway in the Senate to remove that same mad man from office during the so-called “impeachment trial”? Does he–even now–speak out against the use of predator drones to kill American citizens without the benefit of due process?

No, this Yankee Clipper doesn’t really have the moral high ground on that one either. Besides, when a man is on trial for murder, is it a defense to say, “I only killed 10 people. That is not so many. I could have killed more, but I stopped at 10.” Do we let him off with just a warning?

25 Matthew Yates March 18, 2013 at 4:43 pm

Biden the little weasel that masquerades as a Catholic has already excommunicated himself according to Church Doctrine. So, any priest giving this little monster communion should be defrocked, period. Same goes for Pelosi, Kerry, and the Kennedy family. Sean O’Malley should be defrocked for sure, if this Pope is indeed the real deal. Benedict fixed the liturgy now we will see if Francis will continue the work and kick the beast out of the Church..

26 Andrew March 19, 2013 at 6:33 am

The proper thing to do is to abort Biden and give him the same medicine he advocates.

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