Utøya Youth Camp was Fatah PLO Camp for Nearly 15 Years

by Sparta on August 1, 2011

in Anders Behring Breivik, enemy propaganda, Israel, leftist-jihadist convergence, Palestinians, PLO, Scandinavia/Nordic region, stealth jihad, Stella (Stavroula) Jatras

Utøya wasn’t only a leftist youth camp; it was also a camp for Muslim youth.

Utøya: Hassan Faraj with Jens Stoltenberg

Ma’an News Agency: Fatah Youth condemns Norway attacks, over 90 killed

Published Saturday 23/07/2011 (updated) 25/07/2011 10:40

BETHLEHEM (Ma’an) — Fatah Youth released a statement on Saturday condemning attacks in Norway which have reportedly killed over 90 people.

“It is with consternation that we have received the dramatic news of an awful terrorist attack against a summer camp ran by our comrades of Norwegian Labor Youth ‘AUF,’” the statement said.

The Fatah Youth group had taken part in the summer camp in the past on the Island of Utoya, near Oslo, where over 90 people were reportedly killed in a shooting spree on the Island and a bomb attack in Oslo on Friday, news reports said.

“Fatah Youth declares its consternation about the terror attack. There are no words to describe an attack against people that have been our comrades in our struggle for freedom and independence. Very few people have stood by our side as much as the Norwegian people, and particularly our AUF comrades.”

“We know those who have been cowardly assassinated. Those are people that have stood for the human and national rights of the Palestinian people both in Europe and while visiting Palestine.

“Fatah Youth has participated for almost 15 years in the same summer camp and our youth has benefited by learning and sharing experiences on democracy and advocacy for peace and justice.
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More here.

Another Look at the Norwegian Labor Party Palestinian Affiliation

Labour Youth League summer camp at Utøya got the Labour Party’s young hopefuls a visit by Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Store.

The Palestinians “must have their own state, the occupation must end, the wall must be demolished and it must happen now,” said the Norwegian Foreign Minister to cheers from the audience.

The main activity at the Utoya Island Meeting were mock “Break the Israel blockade” games.

One event was Palestinian aide boats would try to break the Israel blockage.

Utøya Island youths in boat
 

The sign says “defeat the blockade” (“opphev blokkaden” Gaza)
Utoya camp was not Islamist but it WAS something not much more wholesome (by our standards, at any rate).

It was a summer indoctrination camp run by Norway’s ruling Labor Party for up-and-coming children of the ruling elite.

Glenn Beck was not far off when he compared it to the Hitlerjungend or Young Pioneers.

It’s so the junior members of the aristocracy can be properly told what to think and can network with each other in preparation for their brilliant careers ruling over the peasants.

I saw at least one article that had photos of previous summers with the little dearies and their handlers assembling Israel-bashing displays.

We Americans had similar traditions further back in the twentieth-century. The likes of David Horowitz and Ronald Radosh have written of the red-diaper summer camps their parents sent them to.

There are still institutions such as the “Midwest Academy” where budding labor activists go get schooled in labor and community organizing over the summer.

Not to mention the many religiously-oriented summer camps that have long been a cultural staple.

Group photo of Utøya Island youths
 

Note the faces which are more Middle Eastern or mixed than pure Norwegian
The camp was run by the Youth Movement of the Labour Party and used to indoctrinate teens and young adults.

Breivik was targeting the future leaders of the party responsible for flooding Norway with Muslims who refuse to assimilate, who commit major violence against Norwegian natives, including violent gang rapes, with impunity, and who live on the dole… all done without the consent of the Norwegians.

The day before the shooting, a pro-Palestinian rally was held. LINK

In an interesting article Breivik and totalitarian democrats in which Sevje, the Norwegian ambassador to Israel is quoted:  Totalitarian Democrats CLICK HERE 

“Ma’ariv asked Sevje whether in the wake of Breivik’s terrorist attack Norwegians would be more sympathetic to the victimization of innocent Israelis by Palestinian terrorists.

Sevje said no, and explained, “We Norwegians view the occupation as the reason for terror against Israel. Many Norwegians still see the occupation as the reason for attacks against Israel. Whoever thinks this way, will not change his mind as a result of the attack in Oslo.”

The author of the article notes:

“So in the mind of the illiberal Norwegians [the Labour Party], terrorism is justified if the ideology behind it is considered justified.

For them it is unacceptable for Breivik to murder Norwegian children, because his ideology is wrong. But it is acceptable for Palestinians to murder Israeli children, because their ideology is right.”

More here.

Also see:

Update:

Western Europe will soon be“Judenrein” – Norway now is. God have mercy!

(h/t: Gramfan)

Wednesday, August 8, 2012

In a few weeks Norway will  be“Judenrein”.  The last 819 Jews still living in Norway are now leaving the country due to the rise in antisemitism.

Europe again “Judenrein”02-08-2012Thus Norway becomes the first European country in which Jews will no longer live. A similar development can be observed in all the European countries.

When one hears nowadays reports regarding the terrorist attack against Jews in Bulgaria one does not know that Jews in Europe are subject to antisemitic manifestations daily. The Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten reported In February 2012 about the departure of Jews from the country. Anne Sender, the head of the Jewish community in Norway, once said: “Many immigrants brought antisemitism from their countries. The shame is in that nobody speaks out against them.”

The waves of Muslim immigrants bring antisemitism back to Europe. A similar development is taking place in the neighboring country, Sweden, and in all the European countries. The Muslims are the ones who drive away the Jews everywhere. The information agency, Kopp Exklusiv, is one of the few to talk about this subject.

It started in France. A day doesn’t go by without Muslim attacks of Jews. The press hardly reports it. There are too many incidents. In the first five months of 2012, there were 268 attacks against Jews. France today is an extremely antisemitic country. The socialist Government under the leadership of Hollande does nothing to protect the Jews – on the contrary. The numerous Muslims are a very important part of the electorate for the elected officials and they are under the auspices of the socialists. On July 5, 2012, a 17 years-old Jewish youngster was nearly beaten to death near Toulouse by two Muslims of North-African descent because he was wearing a chain with the Star of David. The police were unable to collect evidence. The Jews are publicly encouraged to leave the country.

The situation is not much different in Italy. Every Jew must fear for his life and live under the protection of a security unit. The media channels in Britain too, have been reporting for six years about the emigration of Jews from Britain. In 1990 there were 340,000 Jews. Today there are 240,000 left. The Muslim immigrants turn their life into hell and chase them away. They have also succeeded in driving away the Jews of Jewish Antwerp. In the Netherlands, former politicians advised the Jews to leave the country soon. The former European Commissioner, Frits Bolkestein, said that Dutchmen of Moroccan descent are antisemitic and that it would be best if the Jews left of their free will. They can immigrate to the United States (not for long! -BL) or to Israel.

Dutch politicians from the Social Democratic circles marched together with the Muslims who called for the construction of gas chambers in order to burn the Jews. In the German-speaking countries this is not reported in the press. The German journalists think that the Muslims are decent people who have no connection whatsoever to the extreme right . With this approach, journalists are helping to drive the Jews away from Europe. They suppress the nightmare of the Islamic immigration.

I feel sick, reading this… so sad for the Jewish people of Europe, that they again have to fear for their lives – even in lands that were supposedly ‘safe’ – and I am absolutely devastated that Norway of all countries should lead the way in this! They know better – just one generation ago, they were a truly Christian nation that supported Israel! But when they forsook their precious spiritual heritage (there were several amazing revivals in Norway’s history), and embraced left-wing secularism and “pluralism” instead, they reaped an unexpected harvest: a flood of illiterate Muslim immigrants that has destabilized their society and pushed Norway over the edge from ‘merely’ anti-Israel to anti-Semitic! This should not come as a surprise at all… it is happening everywhere. When the anti-Semitism that is endemic in Islam is combined with the political anti-Israel attitudes of the Left (propagated among the youth via the universities), this is the result!

So once again, the pattern is being repeated that we saw in Europe in the last century: a hateful, radical minority (whether of the Right or the Left – or Islamic) is able to influence and overtake a soft, liberal, open society to the point that it inflicts its prejudices unimpeded, while the silent majority looks the other way, or even cooperates.

God help Norway and the rest of Europe! And may He have mercy on the few remaining ‘safe refuge’ nations for the Jewish people – ie, Canada, USA, and Australia (are there any others?!!) – if they should allow this tragedy to happen there as well!

The awful attack a year ago by the crazy Norwegian right-wing extremist, Breivik, was an example of the pent-up frustration felt by many Norwegians who don’t want to see their lovely little country ‘transformed’ by Muslim immigration into a third-world, anti-western, anti-Israel nightmare. But because of his own personal demons & psychoses, instead of working to change things in a rational, effective, political way, he became a violent ‘vigilante’. We MUST all guard against this – it’s not only immoral – it backfires! Of course, the Enemy has used the incident to discredit and silence all discussion about where Norwegian society is going, and what should be done about it while there is time.

As a result, everyone who has eyes to see what is going on, and tries to help, feels threatened by the label of “Islamophobe”… And the result? Emboldened Muslim demands and harassment, increasing, wide-spread hatred of Israel… and then, inevitably, attacks against local Jews. So now they are leaving – hopefully for Israel, so they won’t have to run again! May Adonai guide, protect and bless them!

But what about Norway, my ‘homeland’?! What will become of it?! Well what happens when the Jews who have lived in a nation are persecuted and forced to leave? We have so many examples in history – Spain, the Arab world, Iran, Russia, Turkey, Germany, etc. The country loses its brightest and best, and goes into decline! Most of all, the BLESSING and PROTECTION of GOD is lifted! (I realize Germany now has a fairly good economy, but it went thru many years of turmoil and trouble after WWII – and the only reason it is prospering now is because a) they distanced themselves from their Nazi past, repented, and made restitution and b) the US helped them get back on their feet.

So what will become of Norway? Unless there is a great repentance, beginning in the Church, but also in the government, and a change in attitude toward Israel, I fear for what is coming… I cannot escape the memory of the dramatic, terrible dream I had when we were there visiting relatives in the summer of 2000…. When I awoke, I sensed a great danger to the oil rigs in the North Sea, as well as the pipelines from them… and knew that if these were attacked by terrorists, it would be catastrophic to Norway – economically and ecologically. That was before 9-11, when such things were fairly rare.

I don’t wish a tragedy on that beautiful country; I pray it won’t happen! But since Norway is the ONLY remaining pro-western nation left in OPEC, and since it has continued to permit massive Muslim immigration into the tiny country, it is certainly an ‘item of interest’ and a target. Once there was a sort of canopy (chuppah) of God’s protection over the land, I believe, as a result of the many devout Bible-believers there – but now, I fear that is dissipating, as the last fearful Jews leave their shores, and instead of standing up for them, they again avert their eyes.

The word that came to me today was this: MENE, MENE, TEKEL U PARSIN!”

It is from Daniel 5… the “writing on the wall” story. If you don’t know it. read it.

“But you, Belshazzar, his son,[d] have not humbled yourself, though you knew all this. 23 Instead, you have set yourself up against the Lord of heaven. You had the goblets from his temple brought to you, and you and your nobles drank wine from them. You praised the gods of silver and gold, of bronze, iron, wood and stone, which cannot see or hear or understand. But you did not honor the God who holds in his hand your life and all your ways. 24 Therefore he sent the hand that wrote the inscription. 25 “This is the inscription that was written:

mene, mene, tekel, parsin

26 “Here is what these words mean:

Mene[e]: God has numbered the days of your reign and brought it to an end.

27 Tekel[f]: You have been weighed on the scales and found wanting.

28 Peres[g]: Your kingdom is divided and given to the Medes and Persians.”

Update February 10, 2013:

Demanded Arab terrorist released from prison in Israel

Norwegian PM Jens Stoltenberg demanded the release of Arabian terrorist Hussam Shaheen from prison in Israel. The PM considered him a “friend of the Labour party”.

Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg was engaged in a campaign to get former International secretary Hussam Shaheen released from imprisonment in Israel. Shaheen is now sentenced to 28 years for terror.

This is the story:

On April 10, 2007, the Israeli Military Court in Ofra- nearby Ramallah- imposed a 20 years imprisonment on Hussam Shaheen, the Secretary of International Relations of Fateh Youth Organization (FYO) and the elected chief of FYO in Jerusalem.

He was arrested on 28/1/2004, and tried in court for smuggling of weapons and planning a suicide bomber mission against a buss inside Israel.

On 21st of April 2007, the terror convicted Arab is called a “political prisoner” by the Prime Minister of Norway, Mr. Jens Stoltenberg.

On the Labour Youth’s political summer camp on Utoya, Stoltenberg demands the release of Hussam Shaheen.

Hussam Shaheen has been on Utoya several times, and has many friends in the Norwegian Labour party and the AUF”, explained Stoltenberg.

A LINK to the PM’s speech can be found at the home page of the Prime Ministers office in Oslo.

Here is another  link to the speech Stoltenberg gave (in Norwegian) on 21st of July 2007.

My comment:

Some few weeks back, The Supreme Court in Israel upheld the conviction, and made Shaheen’s imprisonment longer by eight years. Source:

PM Jens Stoltenberg branded this terror convicted man, an imprisoned Arab, as “a political prisoner”. Stoltenberg spoke after Shaheen was sentenced  to 20 years imprisonment. By doing so, Jens Stoltenberg tried to delegitimize Israel as a democratic nation, with a functioning and just legal system.

My questions are:

1. What was the legal base used by Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg in July 2007,  when the PM branded this terror convicted man as a “political prisoner”?

2. Do Jens Stoltenberg still consider Hussam Shaheeen to be a political prisoner?

3. When was Hussam Shaheen a guest on the terror island Utoya in Norway?
 
4. What kind of actives did Hussam Shaheen participate in, during his visits to Utoya?

Will we ever get a Norwegian, or international journalist, to demand that PM Jens Stoltenberg shall answers these questions?

Written by Ivar Fjeld

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1 Don Laird August 2, 2011 at 11:07 am

Hello there………its me………..again,

More and more truth comes to the surface regarding those moments on Utoya Island…….it seems the parents of these youth had decided to place their very own flesh and blood into the murderous crucible of international politics………it seems that Utoya, at first glance an idyllic Norwegian playground, was little more than a training ground for the cannon fodder of Hamas and Hezbollah as young men and women were readied, through brain-washing and a steady diet of propaganda, to be placed into the breech of islamic terrorism………

Utoya Island, a sort of Ikea-esque version of the madrassas of Pakistan where the very finest of suicide bombers are moulded……….

So, I thought I would share my thoughts with you on parents who throw their children to lions………

Here lays the truth….

There is no difference between the muslim who whispers the blackest of lies in the ears of the unloved, the easily impressed and the dull witted and then, for the sake of political agenda, ignites these same lost souls in a blinding flash of light in the marketplace….where in a symphony of carnage and the sweetest of agony, the innocent are borne away on rivers of blood………this Middle Eastern creation, the work of madmen, the pride of Lucifer himself….. yet greatly admired by some as so too the Norwegian politicians and academia who whisper lies into the ears of their own children as they set out to the island of Utoya…….these so called educated and enlightened men and women who champion the cause of psychopathic, terroristic murderers…..these Norwegian men and women, closet national socialists, who seek the murder and annihilation of all Jewry on a global scale….these monstrous Norwegian men and women who whisper lies into their children’s ears and then set these children loose into the political arena to, in seeking, as all children do, the approving eye of that which gave them life, willingly act as little more than cannon fodder for their parents vicious agenda………

How incredibly sick……..how incredibly demented, these Norwegians who use their children as pawns in a game that they themselves are loathe to play……..wretched bloody cowards the lot……and now they stand on the world stage and, tears flowing down cheeks, with hand on heart, with refrains of melodramatic background music as their flesh and blood is lowered into the ground…..and now……with obscene hypocrisy……….they seek our solace and our sympathy…..what wretched souls these sick Norwegian psychopaths…….now, having offered up their very own children to the cause and conflict of islam and terrorism they will be accorded, with admiring deference by their fellow media luminaries, academics and politicians, the very best seats in cafes and bistros…..where, noshing on exotic cuisine, sipping expensive wines, dressed in shemaghs and wrapped in the Palestinian flag, the haute couture of media, mass murders and academia everywhere, they will be treated as celebrities for murdering their very own children…..how utterly vile………..

In the darkened doorways lurk the omnipresent leering muslim vultures, Hamas and Hezbollah…….they sit quietly and marvel at a job well done…..for the slaughter of these deluded youth was a win/win massacre for muslims…….you find evidence of that in their immediate reaction to the bombing as every Jihadist group, muslim and islamist with an axe to grind didn’t just rush to the Norwegian river of blood….no, they jumped in and, splashing and frolicking about, claiming responsibility…..revelling, as they love to do, in the death and misery of innocents and children…….

But as events unfolded and it became apparent that Anders Breivik was responsible……….these muslims faded away quietly as here was something beyond their wildest dreams…..and the academia smiled………..and the media was delighted…….and the band played on………..

How utterly bloody wretched…….

Regards, Don Laird
Edson, Alberta, Canada

2 Magister Ludi August 2, 2011 at 12:34 pm

The Left tries to make their children into doctrinaire replacas of themselves. They don’t teach them about making their own decisions with integrity. It is a loathsome approach to raising children.

3 Linda August 2, 2011 at 2:06 pm

Excellent comment Don Laird! My first thought/comment when I heard about the political Norway youth camp was similar to Glenn Beck’s and I made an analogy to “Hitler Youth” indoctrination on another blog. Hitler Youth came to mind because it is the most famous or the one we’ve heard the most about in history. Communist Russia, etc. had similar party politics or youth programs.

The anti-Semitic views of the current Norwegian politicians in their Labour Party against Isreal is bizarre. Not much worse than that “Obomba” guy in the U.S. Golda Meir said it best: “We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us.” Substitute any other anti-Semitic group for the word Arabs, like Norwegian?

The Daily Mail, UK published a story the other day about how the Norwegian authorities are now saying Breivik had plastic surgery to enhance his looks to be more Aryan. The head of Norway’s PST intelligence agency is quoted as saying “you don’t get that Aryan look naturally in Norway” or similar words. Could have fooled me, Breivik looks like my youngest brother did and I could pass for his sister but then I am of mixed Norwegian and Swedish parents. :roll:

4 Always On Watch August 3, 2011 at 7:25 am

The mainstream media have effectively kept this information from the public. :evil:

5 Zenster August 6, 2011 at 3:06 pm

Thank you, 1389, for making sure that this sordid spectacle was given a proper airing. The Utøya Youth Camp was nothing but an indoctrination center for reborn European Antisemitism and pro-terrorist causes.

Yet, magically, the entire global media manages to retain an air of utter mystification with regard to why on earth Breivik sought to strangle a new generation of über-Liberal Islamophillic red diapered babies in their PCMC cradle before they could wreak further havoc upon Norway’s already faltering cultural framework.

There is no excusing the malice of Breivik’s horrid acts. However, in rightfully condemning Breivik, one must also give equal time to examining his motivations and goals. Clearly, no one of prominence in the news media is bothering to analyze the Utøya Youth Camp’s true agenda.

Had the MSM teased out this rather conspicuous rationale behind Breivik’s actions, it might have shed some disinfecting sunlight upon what has since turned into a round of the most baseless demonizing imaginable. One need only examine the treatment Fjordman has received at the hands of overeager Norwegian authorities to understand just how desperate they are to pin the tail on a donkey, any donkey, save that of the true culprit, namely, Islam.

6 1389 August 7, 2011 at 5:51 am

You’re welcome!

7 Eparcirohter February 10, 2012 at 10:48 am

This page is blocked on Norwegian facebook. Why?

8 1389 October 4, 2012 at 9:33 pm

@Eparcirohter:

The admins of 1389 Blog have never been on Facebook (on account of unacceptable security risks) and we have no contacts with its management.

Did you try to post the address of this page on Facebook? What happened then?

You can always try posting this address instead: http://tinyurl.com/utoya-plo

9 Edvin November 20, 2012 at 9:12 am

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With all respect, my friends. These are lies :sad:

We work very hard to expose the truth. However, sometimes we do make mistakes. When mistakes are found, we correct the immediately. Muslims, on the other hand, are required to lie when it promotes Islam. Christians are encourage to tell the truth, “Know the truth and the truth will set you free.”

I have been in AUF in my youth, knows the place and people there very well. I have been participating with the labour party in Israel, their youth organisation and people from Fatah Youth. For peace. Not war.

So, I guess you are trying to tell us that AUF and the Fatah Youth are apostate Muslims. Islam requires Jihad (war) against non-Muslims.

They are not terrorists. They are secular and democratic. And they are not at all islamists.

Do they reject the False Prophet Mohammad? Do they zealously support Israel’s right to exist? Do they renounce the Islamic governments that refuse to allow Christian missionaries in their land? If you cannot say “Yes” to all three, they are most definitely Islamist.

Some of them are even christians.

So, what is your definition of Christian? It is such a convenient label. Where do they go to church? Who is their pastor? What training in Christianity do they have? Anyone can label themselves as the token “Christian” to give some movement the appearance of being “interfaith.”

So stop listen to the lies about this.

So far, Edvin, if anyone has been lying here, it seems like it is you.

Actually Anders Behring Breivik, who did the massacre on Utøya, is a neo-nazi and an anti-semite.

Jesus was once falsely accused of casting out demons because, they alleged, he was a demon himself. Jesus said that would not make any sense as a house divided against itself shall fall. So, if paleo-Nazis are attack by a neo-Nazi, what do we have?

He calls him self a christian, but he is a real demon who loves destruction and hatred.

This sentence actually does make some sense. Anyone can call himself a “Christian.” (We are not at all sure that Breivik actually called himself one.) Breivik has been destructive. But, a demon? Oh, yes a house divided. A demon attacking demons. So, you could be right on that one too.

He hates jews.

It sounds like you do as well.

And if you don’t know: The labour party of Norway and AUF was some of the most impoertant supporters of Israel when it was established in 1948 – 1949.

We know some very strong supporters of Israel. It is hard to imagine a “Labour Party” anywhere on earth that supported anything but political expediency. When your Labour Party sends Norway’s army to defend the Jews in the Middle East, you will have something to talk about.

Greatings from
Edvin Johansen, Norway.

We are glad to see that you have not taken an Islamic name yet. However, we have more than a few Islamists here in the US who still use non-Muslim names. Anthony Wiener and Grover Norquist come to mind.

10 Edvin November 20, 2012 at 5:41 pm

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My Labour party did send soldiers to defend israelis and jews before IDF became so strong as the Israel army is today. Now they are strong enough to defend themselves.

If you are referring to the late 1940s, so what? Israel is under attack from the Jihadis in Gaza. The poor Israeli forces are considering a ceasefire and backing off. If a European country or two would send a little military muscle to help Israel, we might see this whole Jihad mess dry up and go away.

But Norway is a part of NATO, together with the USA, and Israel is one of our nearest allies outside NATO.

You won’t be winning any friends around here with that NATO talk. We think of NATO as the modern equivalent of Nazis. It was the NATO-Nazi gang that bombed the Serbian people in 1999 to help the Muslim Jihadi forces invade Kosovo. Why won’t Norway leave NATO? Maybe the spirit of Quisling is alive and well in Oslo?

And our friends in The Labour Party of Israel (israeli labour party) are jews.

With “friends” like the Israeli Labour Party, the Jews don’t need enemies. If the conservative and religious parties would have run Israel without Labour’s help, the country would be far better off today.

I have met a lot of them. They have been in the position represented with Israels president (from their Labour Party) and Prime Minister (from their Labour Party).
There have been a lot of jews from Israel on Utøya.

You are proving our point for us. A Labour party is a bad thing. It is almost like a Communist party. Jews who are foolish enough to play with Islamic terrorists are asking for trouble.

As friends. And I can document that. The photo of people in the boat with palestinian flags are not from the AUF, but from the sosialistic youth party (SU) of Norway,

So what? A Labour Party and a Socialist party are more or less the same thing, watered-down Communists. They all believe in redistributing the wealth. One of the Ten Commandments for both Christians and Jews reads, “Don’t Steal!” Communists, Socialists and Labour parties all believe in violating that Commandment to no end. So, we really don’t care what level of thief the people holding the flag are.

who is more against Israels existence than AUF … but they are not against jews and not at all anti-semites.

There are even some Orthodox Jews who do not believe in the modern state of Israel, so what? Generally speaking, antisemitism and anti-Israel go hand-and-hand. The problem is that Israel is there. Only a new Holocaust would bring an end to modern Israel. So, if you think that you are anti Israel and not antisemitic, you haven’t thought out the problem very much.

But I do not participate in their opinions on Israel as a state. And thats because of The Labour Partys defence of the sionistic Israel from the start, in 1947, 1948 and 1949.

That was a very long time ago. We are concerned about 21st Century Islamic aggression.

The Labour Party of Norway was the only party in my country that condemmed the holocaust planned by Hitler, and a lot of members om my party and AUF have been put into camps in Germany together with jews through the second world war … and a lot of them never came back, because the where shot, gassed and starved to death together with the jews in those camps made by SS and Gestapo.

We know. Many people suffered at the hands of the Nazis. Many Muslims fought for the Nazis.

My partys primary secretary and others I have met where some of the first people joining the kibbutz of the new state of Israel.

Once again, a long, long time ago. So what?

I followed that man to his grave when he died over 100 years old. His name was Haakon Lie, and I was his flaggbearer in that seremoni.

Sorry, but this makes very little sense to us. So, what?

Fatah Youth got members from Bethlehem. Christian members of a lot of different churches in Jerusalem and Bethlehem.

The Muslims are very skilful at this. The word “Cordoba” comes to mind. The Muslims create the myth that they have some common ground with other faiths. They make the people of those other faith believe they have Muslim “friends.” When the right times come, the Muslims “friends” kill us. They have been doing it for centuries. Why would it change now?

Some of them are lutherans, some ortodox, some catolics, even coptic christians (those attacked by the most extreme islamic party of Egypt), christians from all christian parts of the old city of Jerusalem and the sentral Bethlehem. Some of them have been scouts in the christian tradition.

If you think that you have to tell us who the Copts are, you have not been reading this blog for any length of time. The Copts thought they had Muslim “friends” in Egypt. When the right time came, those Muslim friends started killing Copts. When the right time comes, your Muslim friends in Norway will be trying to kill you. Please, remember that we tried to warn you when that day comes.

Many palestinians of Jerusalem and Bethlehem got theire blood from crusaders in the middle age, fighting the old islamic warriors that where trying to get Jerusalem as a part of a big state in Mohammeds so called propheties.

The so-called “Palestinians” are more or less a myth. For the most part, they are Muslim Arabs that moved in relatively recently. The first wave was after the Crimean War. The Ottoman Turks welcomed people displace in that war to populate a desolate land. The second wave came after the Jews moved in and started to make the Holy Land prosperous again.

There are norwegian jews in the Labour Party of Norway, and in the AUF. And former palestinians and arabs as well.

A lot of Jews get sucked into liberal politics. Why they do that is beyond me. Of course, Muslims will join. They will infiltrate everything until they take over your country.

I know jews in most of the norwegian political partys.

Got to love those Jews. There are all over the map on these kind of things.

Fatah Youth are not islamic, and support Israel’s right to exist.

Several sources for this article suggest otherwise. Are you telling us those sources are wrong and there is no PLO presence?

As party we are against the islamic state of Iran as it is today.

That sounds like a rare voice of sanity. When will Norway be invading Iran?

There have been terrorists from PLO that wants Israel to vanish. But Fatah Youth is not a part of that immorality.

Then why do are sources all come up PLO?

They talk about peace, and they don’t like the corruption of their mother party leaders. The corruption that made Hamas so strong.

Hamas is so strong because Muslims are terrorists. That has been true for some 1400 years now.

Thats why Hamas won the elections in palestinian areas, because they was against corruption (or that was what they said). And with their regime the Fatah Youth had no chance of influence in a peacefull process.

There is no “peace” process. Muslims ONLY go to peace talks, so they can prepare for war. They only talk peace to gain strength. When the Muslims get strength, there will be war.

11 Edvin November 20, 2012 at 5:51 pm

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I am a secular and democratic supporter of the original sionistic idea. I meen the area is for any man or woman from that area.

Not sure what you are saying, but it sounds like you support Israel, but as a multi-ethnic/multi-religious state. That sounds to us like a slow surrender to the Muslim extremists. No thanks! Israel is a Jewish state. If they are kind enough to let me, an Orthodox Christian, live amongst them, fine. If not, it is their country and that is fine with me too.

Whith generations of family blood all back thousands of years ago. I meen maybe a two state selution is the right way to solve the conflicts.

Come on! They tried the two-state thing in the 1940s and the Muslims resorted to violence. There are many Muslim states in the Middle East. Let Muslims in Israel–including the so-called “occupied territory”–move to one of those other Islamic states and leave the Jews alone.

I condem all terror making the conflict harder, and I condem the attacks on sivilians from both sides. I never liked the terror from parts of the PLO. I have never ever liked radicalised groups of islamic warriors, Saddam Hussein or Irans Ayatollahs. And I hated Osama bin Laden and his destructive and evil actions against people of the world.

That is a good start. Can you renounce Islam and the false Prophet Mohammad too?

12 Edvin November 20, 2012 at 6:00 pm

Again, we are responding in italics.
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I know a lot of people in Norway supporting Israel and the jews.

That is good news.

I may not support their way of thinking about the way to peace, and I don’t like their goal of doomsday,

“Doomsday”? We are not aware of anyone who is pro-Israel and wants a doomsday. We cannot imagine that people in Norway would feel that way. Do these people actually say want that to happen?

because I like the wiew many jews in the USA and Israel (even ortodox jews) have on that question in The Middle East … that this is a responsibility of Messias and God.

Now, you have totally lost us. The Messiah and God are giving us doomsday? Have you been drinking?

What more can you expect from me? That I shall support war and killings against the will of Jesus?

War is a last resort. People die in wars. Jesus said that there will be wars and rumors of war until the end of time. Jesus NEVER told us to refuse to fight in a war. However, he did say that we should always have a sword at our side.

I am a fighter against extreme fascists.

Fighting against fascists usually requires a war. Ever heard of World War II?

I hate nazis. I hate Al Qaida. I hate the destructive actions from Hamas.

That is a good start.

So what more do you expect from me?

You could start by renouncing Islam and the false prophet Mohammad. You might want to consider rethinking your association with that leftist labour party. Remember, all leftists are thieves that claim to redistribute wealth.

13 Edvin Johansen November 22, 2012 at 3:26 am

And the beat goes on. The 1389 blog is not a debate club. However, Edvin is raising some interesting issues, so we will continue to deal with them in italics, at least for now.
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The two of us will never come to an agreement about this. And I can live with that.

Know the truth and the truth shall set you free. It is amazing what people can come to agreement once all the facts are exposed.

But don’t serve lies about Utøya.

We don’t serve any lies, quite the opposite. If you find an error and we can verify it is an actual error, we will deal with it. So far, you have not.

The photo of the young people with palestinian flaggs are from the norwegian coast, not from Utøya.

It is not relevant who is actually holding the flag. Here in Dixieland, we often have people born in the north carrying our Confederate Flag and/or the individual State flag. That in no way cast a weakness on the Southern movement; in fact, it shows that the support for the Southern movement has wide spread support. Likewise, it is a VERY bad sign that the PLO can get actual Norwegians to carry their flag. It shows that the PLO evil has caught on in Norway.

And it is from a SU-camp. Not from a AUF-camp :-)

Again, Communist, Socialist, Labour Party, it is all the same thing, only a matter of degree. It is all about stealing from the productive and promising to share it with the unproductive. However, only the leftists leaders get much of anything. The rest of us get screwed. A leftist camp is a leftist camp.

Have a nice day.

You too.

14 Edvin Johansen November 22, 2012 at 7:19 am

Still answering point-by-point in italics.
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Oh … wait a moment. Go to the text in the blogg on the photo of the youngsters in the downhill area on Utøya (who actually is on Utøya): “Note the faces which are more Middle Eastern or mixed than pure Norwegian”.

There words were either written by the author, who writes under the name “Sparta” or from the original source. All it says is to “note” them. So what?

Well, guys … I am able to count 142 people in that picture. And because I know them I can tell that 128 of them are of norwegian ethnic origin.

We don’t know the people in the photo. But, we see the two men in the lower right hand corner. They look Middle Eastern to us. So, does the man two rows back on the far right. Further back and to the left, we see two folks of African origin. Some of the others may be as well, but it is hard to tell. But, it sure looks like there is a Middle Eastern presence.

Only 14 of this youngsters got a forreign ethnic origin, who is actually 10 % of the whole bunch.

That is the point! A few Jihadists are there to influence the group. 10% is actually a lot of infiltration.

Of these 10 % (14 young people) there is at least eight (8) born in Norway.

13 of these 14 are people with norwegian citizenship. Only one of them got a forreign citizenship, and he is a guest from the christian country Uganda. 4 of the dark haired and dark skinned people are from muslim families, and only two of them beliving in allah.

So, some of these Middle Easterners already have Norwegian citizenship. That is a bad sign. There are four people from Muslims families and two of them are openly professing Muslim!

The two others actually are atheists. So on in this photo; Two (2) of this people are tamils from Sri Lanka, and they are hinduists. Two (2) are from Africa and are christian belivers.

So what? The Muslims will share their bad ideas with the whole crowd. The PLO is spreading their lies all over the world. You are showing us what a good venue this really is for terrorism.

Three (3) of them are kurds, from Irak, Turkey an Iran … children of refugees running from Saddam Husseins dictatorship, turkish military system suppression and from Irans islamic state run by the ayatollahs. One (1) is a member of the only family i Norway who ran out from Qatar, because the regime there (Qatar is supported militarily by the neighbour state Saudi-Arabia) wanted to arrest, kill and torture his father. Two are of pakistani origin, at least one of them belonging to a family rejecting islam. And the girl with the black headgear in the front on the right side is from hinduistic India, and belonging to a religion called sikhism. She is the only true beliving (religious) individual in this crowd that is not a christian, as I know. And I know :-)

Muslims kill other Muslims for various reasons. It has been that way throughout the history of Islam. Just because Saddam Hussein doesn’t like you, you might still be a Muslim. And again, you are just showing us what a wide audience they have.

All the muslims here are liberal muslims, that meens they follow Ramadan, just like a lot of non-beliving norwegians follow Christmas without praying or beliving in a god or Jesus. None (zero = 0) of these people are islamists (that meens political islamic ideologists).

A lot of terrorists did not appear to be very faithful Muslims in their youth. Funny how they get serious and do acts of terrorism when we least expect it.

I think maybe (maybe) one of the boys I can not see the face of got palestinian parents living as refugees here in Norway, but in that case he and they now are norwegian citizens, and not working for going back to the Middle East.

It doesn’t work that way. We have too many of those Muslim people who used to live in the Holy Land, but now live in the US. We have interviewed a few. They may say the never want to go back, but they sure want to “drive Israel to the sea.” Instead, they want to influence the US to act on behalf of Hamas or Hizballah, and they raise money for jihadi organizations.

None of these people are members of Hamas or Al Qaida.

How would you know? Members of these groups lie!

None of them are palestinians visiting from Fatah Youth. And none of them are against the existance of Israel. Thats because AUF’s agenda is that Israel has the legitime right to exist.

If you are saying that you know these people personally, maybe you should provide names and contact data so we could interview them. Anyone can write in and say the know who someone is and what they believe.

So the sentence _”Note the faces which are more Middle Eastern or mixed than pure Norwegian”_ is totally exaggerated.

Perhaps you just don’t have good English language skills. The sentence you keep quoting is a command! How can a command be an exaggeration? If I say, “Look up in the sky.” Would you say it was an exaggeration? Of course, not! You might not see anything in the sky if you do look. However, there is no way that it could be an exaggeration.

5 people here got an origin from the Middle East. That meens 3,5 % out of 142. That microscopic minority is _not_ a vindication for noting faces which are more Middle Eastern or mixed in a crowd. Not as long those who are ment to notice this is not pure racists.

Again, this has nothing to do with the point of the article. If there is even ONE person from the Middle East, it raises the question. However, it is likely that your pro-PLO types are home grown. They may even have learned their PLO extremism at a gathering of native-born Europeans! We are pointing out that the PLO has no business running any camps in Norway or anywhere else where people may be exposed to their evil indoctrination.

15 Edvin Johansen November 22, 2012 at 5:50 pm

Editor’s note: Our friend, Edvin, checked in again . . . three more times, actually. And quite frankly, we have had enough.

He claims to know the people in a picture (all of them!), but he won’t tell us who they are. Wonder why not!

He is making some other strange claims too. We won’t waste any more time. If Edvin knows ANY of the people in the photo in question, we need their names and contact data so that we can verify his claims. If not, no more blog space. Sorry!

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