“The Kosovo Maiden” by Uroš Predić (1857-1953)

Ever wondered what 1389 is all about?

Note: Since this post was written in October, 2007, Little Green Footballs has devolved from what was once a fairly reasonable center-right/counterjihad political forum, to a paranoid and sinister hard-left online cult, and one heavily infested with malware at that. Practically none of the same people from 2007 are there now. I no longer recommend that anyone visit or link to Little Green Footballs.

This question came up on October 13, 2007, in the Little Green Footballs: Saturday Afternoon Open thread, and I gave a brief answer there. Fellow Lizardoids followed with comments that added a broader perspective to my answer.

#14 1389

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#23 Ma Sands

re: #14 1389
What happened in 1389? :)

#96 1389

re: #23 Ma Sands

1389 was the year of the Battle of Kosovo. The Serbian army, along with some allies, under the leadership of Prince Saint Lazar, knowing that they were about to die, sacrificed themselves to fight the Turkish invasion to a standstill. Their sacrifice prevented much of Europe from being overrun at that time. In their honor, I have chosen 1389 as my nom de guerre.

We are still fighting the same fight, but the weapons are more complex these days. 1389 Blog – Antijihadist Tech is a team blog, whose purpose is to offer hard-to-find news, along with Web 2.0 and tech savvy, to the antijihadist community.

I also have another, less formal, blog that offers links and notes that others can use for their own blogging; look for it here: 1389 Message Blog.

#110 cpuller

re: #96 1389
Many different battles over the years have stemmed the attacks of Muslims.

  • 732 Battle of Poitiers
  • 1529 Battle of Vienna
  • 1683 Battle of Vienna

Good work. It is helpful for us to realize that since the 7th century, Western civilization has been under almost uninterrupted attack by Muslims.

#128 dentate

re: #110 cpuller
Battle of Talas, 751. Chinese lost, but cost the Arabs enough to stop them there. As in Europe, Islam continued to spread, but as a trickle instead of a tsunami.

#196 Thanos

re: #128 dentate
There were also the back and forth battles of the 1460’s — eventually the Prince of Wallachia, Vlad Tepes III, aka Dracula lost, as you can tell by the blood libels heaped upon history afterwards.

#218 cpuller

re: #196 Thanos
And also, one must wonder how Constantinople fell into the hands of the Turks. One definitely wonders. =)

#262 Spiny Norman

re: #218 cpuller
Partly because help from Rome (Catholic Europe) depended on the Orthodox Church renouncing their “error” and recognizing the authority of the Pope.

And a Hungarian selling his new-fangled cannon to the Turks.

Politics, money and treachery. Nothing ever changes…

Well, yes, but there are always saints and heroes, then as now…

Saint Prince Lazar of Serbia

Food for thought…

Rodan says:

June 28, 2011 10:07 am

I would add Malta 1566 and Lepanto 1571 as battles that also stopped Islam cold.

After Lepanto, Spain was planning a Balkans invasion. The Turks weakened after those battles, sent gold to the British and Dutch. They began attacks on the Spanish Empire who then had to divert their Armies to Northern Europe.

Once again, Western powers backstabbing fellow Christians to help Muslims.

Some things don’t change.

How Serbs honor the memory of Saint Lazar

The Battle of Kosovo took place on June 28, 1389 (according to the Julian Calendar, still used for liturgical purposes by the Serbian Orthodox Church). Each Serbian Orthodox family and church parish celebrates a patron saint’s day; this traditional celebration is called the Krsna Slava. According to Wikipedia:

Many Serbian communities (villages, cities, organizations, political parties, institutions, companies, professions) also celebrate their patron saint. For example, the city of Belgrade celebrates the Ascension as its Slava.

Because the Battle of Kosovo and the death of Saint Lazar took place on the feast day of Saint Vitus, June 28 is often referred to as Vidovdan (Serbian Cyrillic: Видовдан), which means “Saint Vitus’ Day.”

Learn more:


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1 pat October 13, 2007 at 8:55 pm

Unfortunately Kosovo is now firmly Muslim and as loony as the rest.

2 1389 October 13, 2007 at 9:04 pm

For the time being, but not forever!

3 heroyalwhyness October 16, 2007 at 6:15 am

Look up Malta and the Knights of St John, 1565. Then consider reading James Jackson’s “Blood Rock, An Age of Brutality, A Time for Heroes.”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=466818&in_page_id=1770

History’s bloodiest siege used human heads as cannonballs

A hot and fetid June night on the small Mediterranean island of Malta, and a Christian sentry patrolling at the foot of a fort on the Grand Harbour had spotted something drifting in the water.

The alarm was raised. More of these strange objects drifted into view, and men waded into the shallows to drag them to the shore. What they found horrified even these battle-weary veterans: wooden crosses pushed out by the enemy to float in the harbour, and crucified on each was the headless body of a Christian knight. This was psychological warfare at its most brutal, a message sent by the Turkish Muslim commander whose invading army had just vanquished the small outpost of Fort St Elmo – a thousand yards distant across the water.

Now the target was the one remaining fort on the harbour front where the beleaguered, outnumbered and overwhelmed Christians were still holding out: the Fort St Angelo. The Turkish commander wished its defenders to know that they would be next, that a horrible death was the only outcome of continued resistance.

But the commander had not counted on the mettle of his enemy – the Knights of St John. Nor on the determination of their leader Grand Master Jean Parisot de la Valette, who vowed that the fort would not be taken while one last Christian lived in Malta.

On news of the grotesque discovery of the headless knights – many of them his personal friends – Grand Master Valette quickly ordered that captured Turks imprisoned deep in the vaulted dungeons of the fort be taken from their cells, and beheaded one by one.

Then he returned a communiquè of his own: the heads of his Turkish captives were fired from his most powerful cannon direct into the Muslim lines. There would be no negotiation, no compromise, no surrender, no retreat.

We Christians, the Grand Master was saying, will fight to the death and take you with us.

The Siege of Malta in 1565 was a clash of unimaginable brutality, one of the bloodiest – yet most overlooked – battles ever fought. It was also an event that determined the course of history, for at stake was the very survival of Christianity.

If vitally strategic Malta fell, the Muslim Ottoman Empire would soon dominate the Mediterranean. Even Rome would be in peril.

The Muslims had hundreds of ships and an army tens of thousands strong. The Christians were a ragtag bunch of just a few hundred hardbitten knights and some local peasant soldiers with a few thousand Spanish infantry. Malta looked doomed.

That the Hospitaller Knights of St John existed at all was a minor miracle. They were a medieval relic, an order established originally to look after ailing pilgrims to the Holy Lands during the Crusades 300 years earlier – other orders of the Crusades, such as the Knights Templar, had been extinct for two-and-a-half centuries.

They came from countries all over Europe: Germany, Portugal, France, Spain. All that united them was a burning desire to defend Christendom against what they perceived as the ever-encroaching tide of Islam. Yet by the 16th century, an age of the increasing power of nation states, these trans-national zealots were viewed as an embarrassing anachronism by much of Europe.

Already the Turks had forced them from their earlier home, the island of Rhodes. Now the knights had moved to Malta – and were threatened once more.

So savage was the fighting, so mismatched the two sides and so important the moment, that I chose the Siege of Malta as the subject of my latest novel, Blood Rock. It was the stage, as we thriller writers say, for epic and mind-blowing history.

But as I researched for my book, I came to realise that what happened on Malta more than 400 years ago is salutary in today’s context. For as we know only too well, religious extremism, terror tactics and barbarism still exist.

Malta was no mere siege. It teaches us many things: the need for courage and steadfastness by an entire populace in the face of threat; the fragility of peace; and the destructiveness of religious hate.

Suleiman the Magnificent, Sultan of Turkey and pitiless ruler of the Ottoman Empire, stared out upon the glittering waters of the Golden Horn estuary of Istanbul. He was the most powerful figure on the planet – his titles included Vice-Regent of God on Earth, Lord of the Lords of East and West – and Possessor of Men’s Necks on account of his habit of beheading servants who displeased him.

His realm and absolute remit stretched from the gates of Vienna to the gardens of Babylon, from Budapest to Aden. He was one of the richest men of all time who never wore the same clothes twice, ate off solid gold plates encrusted with jewels, and took his pleasure in a harem of more than 300 women.

An octogenarian, he was utterly ruthless, employing an assassination squad of deaf mutes to strangle traitors. (The reasoning was that they could never be influenced by the pleas for mercy of their victims, nor tell any tales.)

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Suleiman had used them to dispatch both his Grand Vizier (his prime minister) and his favourite sons. Less worthy subjects could be executed by pouring molten lead down their throats.

Yet by the standards of the day and his own dynastic line he was not especially violent. Other sultans had done worse: one, tiring of his womenfolk, had drowned his entire harem – some several hundred strong – in muslin sacks at the bottom of the Bosphorus; a second had written into the royal prerogative that he could shoot ten or more citizens a day with his bow and arrows from the roof of his palace.

Suleiman controlled the greatest fighting force in the world. Before him lay an armada of 200 ships ready to sail, an army of 40,000 troops on board. He planned to wipe the barren rock of Malta and the Knights of St John from the map.

These knights lived by raiding and disrupting his Ottoman shipping routes. The last straw had been their capture of the prized ship of his powerful courtier the Chief Black Eunuch.

Because all his “parts” had been cut off by a clean sweep of a razor – a metal tube had been inserted into his urethra and the wound cauterised in boiling oil – the eunuch was also entrusted to look after Suleiman’s harem.

The Sultan did not expect undue trouble exacting his revenge. A mere 700 knights stood in his way. Such a rabble would be quickly cleared.

The Turkish fleet headed across the Mediterranean in March 1565. Aboard the ships were the elite janissary shock-troops – the “Invincible Ones” – who had carried Islam across Europe with the slashing blades of their scimitars.

Accompanying them were the blackplumed cavalry corps and the infantry as well as the drug-crazed Iayalars who wore the skins of wild beasts and whose raison d’etre was to reach paradise through death as they slit infidel Christian throats in battle.

In late May 1565, the invasion force arrived at the island. The knights awaiting them enjoyed good intelligence of their plans and had asked for assistance from the Christian armies of European nations. Every kingdom spurned their request – other than Sicily, which said that if the knights held out, help would eventually come.

You have probably never heard of Fort St Elmo. It is a small star-shaped structure sited at the tip of what is now the Maltese capital Valletta on the north shore of Grand Harbour.

In late May 1565, it was where the full might of the Turk artillery was unleashed, a hellish crucible that would forge the future course of our modern age. For days the invaders pounded the tottering and crumbling edifice, reducing its limestone walls to rubble, creating a dust cloud. The knights refused to yield.

At night, Valette sent reinforcements from St Angelo by boat across Grand Harbour, in the knowledge they were heading to their deaths.

After the artillery, the attacks went in, wave upon wave of screaming and scimitar-wielding Turks, trampling over the bodies of their own slain, laying down ships’ masts to bridge the debris-filled moat into which the walls of St Elmo had slid.

Each time they were met by the ragged and diminishing band of defenders, fighting with pikes and battle-axes, firing muskets and dropping blocks of stone, throwing fire-hoops that set ablaze the flowing robes of the Muslims and sent them burning and plummeting to their deaths.

The fire-hoops – covered in flax and cotton, dipped in brandy and coated with pitch and saltpetre – were the knights’ own invention. Dropped blazing over the bastion walls, they could engulf three Turks at a time.

For 30 days, cut off and doomed, the soldiers of St Elmo prevailed. The Turkish general had expected the fort to fall within three.

Late at night on Friday June 22, 1565, the few hundred survivors from an original garrison of 1,500, sang hymns, offered up prayers, defiantly tolled their chapel bell and prepared to meet their end the next day.

Those unable to stand were placed in chairs behind the shattered ramparts, crouching low with their pikes and swords to await the final assault.

When it came, and the entire Turkish army descended as a howling mass, the handful of Christians still managed to fight for several hours. Eventually the Ottomans took their prize. The crescent banners of the Grand Turk flew above the ruins, the heads of the knights were raised on spikes, and the crucified bodies of their officers were floated across to Fort St Angelo on the far side of the harbour.

The Turks had lost time and up to 8,000 of their crack troops.

Summer heat was rising, disease and dysentery spread throughout the Muslim camp, and the dead lay piled around the blackened remnants of the seized fort. deserted the knights – the princes of Europe had abandoned them. But Grand Master Valette was not about to quit.

Scenes of heroism and horror abounded in the terrible days that followed. There were extraordinary characters: Fra Roberto, the priest who fought on the battlements with a sword in one hand and a cross in the other; the two English “gentlemen adventurers” who arrived belatedly from Rome to take part in the action; Valette himself, who stood unyielding in the breach and used a spear to battle hand-to-hand against the foe.

Others had led desperate sallies against the Ottoman, harrying their labour corps, sniping at commanders, spiking their guns. But the enemy, too, had their brave and vivid figures. Among them was Dragut, the most feared corsair of his day, whose skill and dash had served the Sultan well. A cannonball splinter did for him.

Yet the siege continued, the target now St Angelo, the final and fortified enclave of the knights on the southern side of Grand Harbour.

The Turks tried every twist and tactic in their military manual. They tunnelled beneath the Christian defences to bury gunpowder and blow the knights to bits. The Maltese responded with their own mines to blow up the tunnels and there were terrible skirmishes below ground.

Next the Turks drew up siege engines, giant towers designed to pour their infantry direct on to the battlements. The knights removed stones at the base of the battlement walls so that they could run out cannon through the openings they had created, and blast the siege engines apart.

On several occasions those walls were breached, the Turks rushing through eager to slaughter all in their path. Triumph seemed at hand but they found too late that the knights had improvised an ambush, creating a killing zone into which they were funnelled and slaughtered.

Success for the Turks was slipping away. The furnace temperatures of July and August sapped morale and strength; the sense of failure clung as pervasively as the surrounding stench of death.

The Turks’ commander, Mustapha Pasha, marched inland to take the walled city of Mdina, only to withdraw when scouts informed him of its substantial and well-armed garrison. It was a trick. Mdina was largely undefended, its governor ordering women and children to don helmets, carry pikes and patrol the walls.

Frantic, with casualties mounting and autumn storms looming, the Turks rolled a giant bomb – a fiendish barrel-shaped object packed with gunpowder and musketballs – into the Christian positions.

The knights promptly rolled it back and it blew a devastating hole in the massed and waiting Muslim ranks. It rained. Believing the gunpowder of the knights to be damp, their muskets and cannon useless, Mustapha Pasha again sent his troops forward.

They were met by a hail of not only crossbow bolts but gunfire, for Valette had anticipated such an moment, setting aside stores of dry powder.

Finally, relief reached the knights in the form of a small army from Sicily. Believing the enemy reinforcements too weak to be of any consequence, Mustapha Pasha angrily ordered his troops – who had bolted on hearing of the new arrivals – to turn back and march towards them. It was the last of his many grave blunders.

The cavalry of the relief force charged, then the infantry, tearing into the Turkish centre, putting it to flight. Rout turned to bloodbath. The once-proud Ottoman force scrambled in disarray for its ships, pursued across the island, cut down and picked off at every step. Thousands died and the waters of St Paul’s Bay ran red.

Of the 40,000 troops that had set sail in the spring from Constantinople, only some ten thousand made it home. Behind them they had left a scene of utter devastation.

Almost the entire garrison commanded by Jean Parisot de Valette – after whom the city of Valletta is named – had perished. Now, after 112 days of siege, the ragged handful of survivors limped through the blitzed wreckage of their lines.

Malta was saved, for Europe and Christianity. The Knights of St John had won.

History has moved on – the island withstood another siege which played a key role in the saving of civilisation in the 1940s, this time against Hitler’s forces. Today, the hotel and apartment developers have moved in. Rarely is the 1565 Great Siege of Malta mentioned. Hardly ever do visitors to the island dwell on such an ancient and forgotten incident.

But I have stood in that tiny chapel recessed in the walls of Fort St Elmo, the very place where defenders took their last holy sacrament on a June night long ago. We owe those knights.

Their sacrifice was immense, their effect on our lives more profound than we may know. Yet religious fanaticism continues, and global powers will still fight over a piece of barren rock. Perhaps we never really learn.

4 Ed Mahmoud November 27, 2007 at 11:02 pm

I take it even well meaning questions about whether Serbians may have been partly responsible for the Yugoslavian civil war aren’t allowed.

I was open to be educated, and well aware that the MSM, if they did spin events, would naturally have a pro-Muslim spin.

But if no question is even permitted, I guess I’m not welcome here.

5 Henrik Ræder Clausen November 28, 2007 at 8:57 am

El Mahmoud, I think it’s a unpractical way you’re phrasing this. In wars, everyone makes mistakes. It’s a mistake to not have prevented the war in the first place. Everyone has done something bad somewhere in this game.

What’s interesting is the identification of pivotal events, undue pressure, distortions, lies etc. that caused the situation to escalate from border skirmishes and rouge provocations to a full-scale civil war.

6 CzechRebel December 8, 2007 at 3:11 pm

Ed Mahmoud, well-meaning questions are always welcome. Even some questions that are no so well meant have been and will be answered. We do have comment policy and are not a general debate forum. So, don’t expect that every question presented to us in a comment will be immediately addressed.

That said, both 1389 and I have researched and written much about certain aspects of Serbian history. (Some of the other blog team members may have some background in this area too.) We are constantly learning more and are glad to share it with our readers.

7 Vlad Lazar April 17, 2010 at 5:52 pm

I’m Romanian and we, romanias, as well as our brothers, the Serbs have always stood against the spreading of Islam in Europe. I can not say haw sorry I am to see the way Serbia was betrayed by Christian countrys and the fact that, after trying so much to conquer Europe, without succiving, the numer of Muslims in Europe is growing very fast, thus imposing parts of their barbaric religion in some of Europe’s countrys.

8 Atilla October 13, 2010 at 9:53 pm

I m Turkish , I sorry this for battle , Serbian People forgive Turks !
Serbs and Turks for peace .

9 Chantel Kiessling January 31, 2011 at 9:08 pm

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10 Bekim Gjikolli June 27, 2011 at 3:48 pm

I’m an Albanian from Kosovo. Kosovo it’s not Serbia.We have the independence because we deserved at. ;-)

11 1389 June 27, 2011 at 5:05 pm

It was first the Nazis, then Tito, who allowed so many Albanians to move into Kosovo to displace and expropriate the native-born Serbian population.

Kosovo is sacred land to Orthodox Christian Serbs.

I wouldn’t mind you staying in Kosovo if you were willing to respect Serbian lives, liberties, and property, and if you were willing to go out of your way to protect Serbian Orthodox church property.

Why don’t you take the time to learn all about the Serbian Orthodox Church? You don’t have to be a Serb to join. Everybody is welcome.

12 Hesperado June 28, 2011 at 10:10 pm

Ed Mahmoud’s question is reasonably answered by distinguishing between the actions good people have to take to protect themselves from ultra-violent supremacist Satanic fanatics; and the actions of the latter.

The actions of the former will at times, perforce, resemble what the modern era has with gingerly precision called “war crimes”. If we exclude the other half of the equation — viz., the ultra-violent supremacist Satanic fanatics who had been attacking, raping, looting, burning, torturing, mass-murdering, enslaving and occupying the Serbs (among hundreds of other people around the planet for centuries) — then we might have the leisure to find fault with the Serbs for this, that and the other necessary measure of self-defense (and, occasionally, reasonably understandable act of enraged revenge).

Once we restore that massive half of the equation, then it no longer is pertinent to criticize Serbs (and ditto for the Israelis).

What I have articulated above is not an axiomatic principle divorced from concrete particulars and facts: it is grimly grounded in that bloody soil of concrete particulars and facts. It is, in fact, those who have a reflex to minimize Muslim atrocities who must have recourse to axiomatic principles curiously detached from the gruesome, ghoulish, grotesquely violent facts Muslims have been actualizing for 1400 years and still going strong.

13 Best Frying Pans August 10, 2011 at 2:52 am

hard for anyone who is not a Serb to understand the importance of Kosovo to the Serbian people.

14 William Dorich October 7, 2011 at 7:37 pm

For any of you who wish to learn more about 1389/Kosovo, and its meaning to Serbs today, if you scroll down the page you will come to:
The Battle of Kosovo, and its meaning for all of us today: Kosovo (online book by William Dorich) the complete table of contents will guide you through this award-winning book. Some of the chapters were contributed by highly respected Balkan scholars, I was merely the instrument for designing the book, compiling its contents, printing and publishing the book. We raised over $200,000 with the book that was donated to IOCC (International Orthodox Christian Charities) that was used to aid the more than 20,000 Serbian orphans from the conflicts in Croatia in 1991 and those Bosnia in 1992 as this book went to press. Eventually the number of orphans increased by several thousand.

15 Glenny December 2, 2011 at 9:06 pm

Hello, just wanted to mention, I liked this blog post. It was inspiring. Keep on posting!

16 William Dorich January 28, 2012 at 1:24 pm

Here is the link to my book Kosovo for those who might be interested.

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/bookstore/kosovo/kosovo.htm

William Dorich

17 Lex March 8, 2012 at 5:56 pm

Editor’s note: Sometimes we post strange comments, but address the commentator’s issue as we go along. This poor soul seems to have done a search for the Battle of Kosovo, which occurred in 1389 A.D. and was a defining moment of Serbian history. I did the same search and saw that Yahoo first suggestion was a lesser, unimportant battle some 58 years later, which was fought at the same location.

I did look for Kosovo battle but i found something awkward for some of you, now my Worldview is kind of ruined

Get a clue! This is the “1389 Blog.” The other admin writes under pen name of “1389.” We have been running this blog for over five years. You are the first individual to get the wrong battle! Having a clueless person read our blog and comment is NOT awkward for any of us. And, while we are at it, trying ending your sentences with a period (.) whenever you think of it.

Battle of Kosovo
At 1448, John Hunyadi saw the right moment to lead a campaign against the Ottoman Empire. After the Defeat of Varna (1444), he raised another army to attack Ottomans. His strategy was based on an expected revolt of the Balkan people, a surprise attack, and destroying the main force of the Ottomans in a single battle. Hunyadi was totally immodest and led his forces without leaving any escort behind. The Albanian leader Skanderbeg and his troops moved to join the Hungarian coalition but they were intercepted and attacked by the Ottoman vassal Đurađ Branković of Serbia, and delayed from reaching the battlefield. Skanderbeg and his army ravaged Branković’s land to punish Serbs for desertion of Christian cause.

Why any of this might be relevant is beyond us and perhaps beyond most rational individuals. A major percentage of the Muslims in Balkans were Serbs before the conquest. The fact that “Serbs” might have fought as vassals for the Ottoman Turks after the conquest is not going to be a surprise to anyone familiar with Balkans and its history. We cannot imagine what sort of point you might think you are making here.

Than about this
Battle of Nicopolis 1396

We are lost. You had been speaking of a battle fought in 1448, rather than 1389. Now, you are mentioning a battle fought in the intervening years. What does that have to do with anything?

Composition of Islamic forces
Is this supposed to be a header? Or is it one of another one of your non sequitur sentences that lacks a period (.)?

The 15th century Ottoman historian Şükrullah, who gives the figure of the Ottoman army as 60,000 in his Behçetu’t-Tevârih;[14] alternately described as roughly half of the Crusader army.[19] The Ottoman force also included 1,500 Serbian heavy cavalry knights[20] under the command of Prince Stefan Lazarević, who was Sultan Bayezid’s vassal since the Battle of Kosovo in 1389, as well as his brother-in-law after the Sultan married Stefan’s sister, Princess Olivera Despina, the daughter of Prince Lazar of Serbia (Stefan’s father) .

Well, I guess your point must be that the relatives of warriors are sometimes themselves warriors. That is nice to know, but not exactly the focus of our blog. Maybe you should check out Ancestry.com; this kind of stuff would really interest people on that site. Again, our readers are already aware of the fact that Serb boys and men were forced into military service by the Ottomans, both as vassals under their own noblemen, and as janissaries. This went on for centuries. Look up the word “devshirme” for more on that.

Bombings in 1999 make more and more sense now.e

So now that you have posted a bunch of irrelevant nonsense, you think that aerial genocide against the Serbian people makes sense? Now, you sound like one of the serial killers on the Criminal Minds television show.

Well, I guess I am glad that you are enjoying our 1389 Blog, but maybe you should try reading it without the ingestion of so many psychoactive substances next time. Just for starters, we suggest that you sober up AND lay off the hallucinogens. If you think you might be too drunk to comment, you ARE too drunk to comment.

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18 Bill Dorich March 8, 2012 at 9:57 pm

Lex:

Stop pissing on my leg and trying to convince me that it’s raining. I am not into pissing contests, especially with an illiterate who picks and chooses historical details to weave a hidden agenda. Now crawl back under your rock like a good little bigot.

19 William Dorich May 28, 2013 at 1:14 pm

Lex is an ignorant historical neophyte who does not know his ass from his elbow. Saying that “Prince Stefan Lazarević, who was Sultan Bayezid’s vassal since the Battle of Kosovo in 1389….” is a really ignorant remark since Prince Lazar was beheaded by the Turkish leader Murad I at the Battle of Kosovo . So the phrase “vassal since” is yet another manipulation by Muslim fanatics.

It continues to fly in the face of reality that Balkan Muslims cannot present an historical tree of Muslim Rulers, but, in my book, Kosovo I list each and every Serbian Ruler beginning with 1168-1195 Nemanja, founder of the Nemanjic Dynasty through 23 Rulers to 1934-1941, Regency for Petar II Karadjordjevic . This unbroken line of Serbian rulers is well documented with each of them building churches and monasteries dedicated to the Serbian people instead of building castles like egotists in other cultures.

So my response to Lex is don’t let the door of history hit you in the ass unless you are prepared to submit a list of Muslim rulers in the Balkans on this site. Much like the Croats who were indeed vassals of the Austrian Empire when it became apparent that they were going to lose in WWI, like rats fleeing a sinking ship they ran into the arms of their Serbian enemies to form the new Kingdom of Serbia in 1918.

And just for historical accuracy, the Ottoman Turks did not fully occupy the Serbs for some 60 years after The Battle of Kosovo and the Muslims did not build their first mosque in Kosovo for another 100 years. Now people of Lex’s ilk are trying to convince the readers on this site that those 1,500 Serbian churches build in Kosovo over the past 1,000 years were “Muslim mosque converted into Serbian Orthodox churches through Serbian aggression”… its easy to dumb down people who are clueless and suffer from a real grasp of history. I remind Mr. Stupid that at the Congress of Berlin in 1878 Serbian was internationally recognized as a nation, the documents that created this nation clearly reveal that Muslim represented “less than 5% of the population, mostly in Bosnia and Kosovo.”

After WWI in 1918 the Serbs agreed to international pressure to give up their nation to form the “Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes”… in 1929 that name was changed to Yugoslavia. How interesting that those 1918 documents state that the Muslim population of Kosovo was 3%. Now we are supposed to believe that this minority built 1,500 mosques that the “terrible Serbs” converted to Orthodox churches?

Muslims lie, they fabricate and are willing to distort history to serve their agenda knowing full well that dumb Americans who don’t know their own history believe this crap hook, line and sinker, encouraging idiots like Lex to write this junk.

WOULD THE REAL BALKAN MUSLIMS STAND UP? In 1993 at the height of the Civil War in Bosnia the Izetbegovic government presented a Miss Sarajevo Beauty Contest, baiting suits and all. So peddling the flesh, while simultaneously convincing the West that they were dedicated to Islamic tradition reveals the depth to which they will stoop. They massacred their own people at the Markale Market and made claims of “60,000 rapes” to gain international sympathy. I assume that Mr.Lex believed that “300,000 Muslims were killed” in these Civil Wars? We now know the actual number is 97,200 on all sides. Hardly Genocide! Sort of tells you how exaggerated claims drove this war of Muslim aggression.

Ramadan occurs in the 9th month of the Islamic year and is observed as sacred, with fasting practiced daily from dawn to sunset. However, in Sarajevo in 1993, less than 10,000 of its 380,000 Muslims citizens attended mosques during Ramadan. In Belgrade, the attendance was less than 1,000 out of approx. 40,000 Muslim citizens and 60,000 Muslim refugees. The consumption of pork and alcohol against Islamic dietary laws has always been widespread among Bosnian Muslims. Only in areas where mercenaries from Iran, Pakistan and Bin laden’s terrorist training camps from Afghanistan are present do Muslim women wear traditional head covering.

I suggest that people find and read my 1992 book Kosovo, written with 5 respected Balkan historians including the late Dr. Alex Dragnich, author of a dozen books on Balkan history and politics. He was also the recipient of the Thomas Jefferson Award for Outstanding Scholarship at Vanderbilt University. Getting your history from neophytes, or worse, Muslim propagandists, assures that you will receive a distorted picture of history to serve a political agenda.

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